Message-ID: <006901cbc96b$fc75bfd0$f5613f70$@klein@ipfocus.com.au>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:46:33 +1100
From: "David Klein" <david.klein@...ocus.com.au>
To: "'Christian Sciberras'" <uuf6429@...il.com>,
	"'andrew.wallace'" <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: is FD moderated or not? (hint: ask n3td3v)

And where can I register a public domain 

 

Regards,

 

David Klein

IP Focus

 

From: Christian Sciberras [mailto:uuf6429@...il.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 4:39 AM
To: andrew.wallace
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu; Georgi Guninski; huj huj huj;
"david.klein@...ocus.com.au"; "kz20fl@...glemail.com"; mcassano@...il.com;
"full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk"
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] is FD moderated or not? (hint: ask n3td3v)

 

One question. Who's "you" that you keep referring to all the time?





On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:44 PM, andrew.wallace
<andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com> wrote:

Thankfully you are very rarely involved with public and private sector
business talks in the UK, so the situation will probably never arise we are
in the same board room.

Stay in America and keep away from the UK is the best thing that could ever
happen to you, because frankly meeting you would be a complete nightmare for
me and I would find it hard to work with you on any meaningful level.

One thing for sure is you have pissed me off with the way you speak to me
via private email and your perceived perception of who I am, and what you
think n3td3v is.

Maybe in the beginning it seemed like disorganised non-sense to you, but it
has evolved and shaped over the years with me and is now a serious force to
be reckoned with and is able to compete with other consultancy orgainsations
in the UK, now that there are serious consultants on board from the business
and government sector in the UK, where we work on meaningful policy reform
within organisations, to tighten security against foreign powers, terrorist
attacks and other matters.

To be perfectly honest, I would like to say, I think you've been reading
mailing lists too much, a lot more goes on in industry than the stupid
disclosure community, work actually gets done that is meaningful and
satisfying when I come home at night.

My advice to you is, stop reading mailing lists, get on with the physical
industry and stop basing your views of people based on back and forward
horse play people have have had between 2004-2009.

That part of n3td3v is behind you, me and everyone, I removed the mailing
list as a symbolic gesture to move on from that.

I'm now a professional, consulting and liaising with other consultants in
the UK in the public and private sector through the consortium, the
consultants who ive had dealings with in the physical domain who have
decided to join through knowing me in a working relationship.

The organisation is nothing to do with what it might have been, n3td3v is
rethought and matured, along with me.

You couldn't possibly say the same orgainsation I started when I was 18 is
going to be the same orgainsation today now that I'm 30, it isn't.

I've changed, we've changed, the type of people I come into contact has
changed through opportunities I've gained in the physical domain.

n3td3v is very much nothing to do with anything online-based, but has
shifted into the physical domain, in that, its people I actually know who I
can shake hands with who are members.

That is why the name was changed, the brand, its now a consortium, its
nothing to do with online or some silly Google group mailing list.

The beginning days of n3td3v between 2004-2009 and the Google group mailing
list was used to push my name out into the industry to become known, you
should be able to work with me in a meaningful working relationship if you
ever had to through work commitments.



Everyone else who I meet in the physical domain knows who I am, but they
don't judge me for it, they shake my hand and move on with the problems in
the industry that are needing solved.

They don't say, that's Andrew who used to post in the disclosure community,
let's huff and puff about it.

They take me as I am in the physical domain, realise it was silly horse play
from the past and move on.

I hope you are able to do the same, because your attitude just annoys me
that you cannot have a mature and professional approach in the way you talk
with me.

Andrew

 

 


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