full-disclosure - Re: What the f*** is going on?

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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VPR4Cpd5MXb_s=HfHfbnFjt+5tEvGNewpb2a2@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:04:24 -0800
From: Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf@...edump.cx>
To: jf <jf@...co.net>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: What the f*** is going on?

> all apologies, that was not my intent in the least-- referencing the public portion of the aurora stuff, which is part of the myth I thought you were referencing.

Sure. The moment the discussion strays toward these topics, I am
obviously not at liberty to discuss them freely.

In general, I simply think that framing the problems that the industry
is facing in terms of dealing with a new, sophisticated adversary is
kind of meaningless and destructive, even if the risk is fundamentally
true. The idea that AV + IDS + a prepackaged PCI / SOX / BS7799 audit
was a legitimate response to the threats faced 5-10 years ago is about
as misguided as the notion that $2M botnet monitoring or an IV drip of
0-day vulns will do the trick this time around.

(Even if you need offensive capabilities - and most parties don't -
nurturing a free market of 0-days sold to the highest bidder for
exorbitant fees does not seem like a particularly good long-term
plan.)

/mz

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