full-disclosure - Re: What the f*** is going on?

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Message-ID: <20110222225428.GD4876@ownco.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:54:28 -0500
From: jf <jf@...co.net>
To: Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf@...edump.cx>,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: What the f*** is going on?

> Sure. The moment the discussion strays toward these topics, I am
> obviously not at liberty to discuss them freely.

Totally understandable; I need to figure out the 'rhetorical question' emoticon and I probably should've put a disclaimer of some sort up there somewhere. I know how sensitive this sector can be.

> In general, I simply think that framing the problems that the industry
> is facing in terms of dealing with a new, sophisticated adversary is
> kind of meaningless and destructive, even if the risk is fundamentally
> true. The idea that AV + IDS + a prepackaged PCI / SOX / BS7799 audit
> was a legitimate response to the threats faced 5-10 years ago is about
> as misguided as the notion that $2M botnet monitoring or an IV drip of
> 0-day vulns will do the trick this time around.
> 
> (Even if you need offensive capabilities - and most parties don't -
> nurturing a free market of 0-days sold to the highest bidder for
> exorbitant fees does not seem like a particularly good long-term
> plan.)

I generally agree, other than I think it's important to understand that regardless of our sentiments, 'they' believe in it and are investing in it and that sorta makes it reality. The more people call things a myth or unimportant or hype or what not, the more it operates in the dark. We're not talking about germans who think they live in a crashed UFO and are out to lift your 0-day, we're talking about the governments of the world realizing they have a new black-ops tool.  That sorta makes it fundamentally different, or at least it does to me.

either way, we're mostly on the same page; didn't mean to drag it out. cheers.

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