full-disclosure - Re: password.incleartext.com

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Message-ID: <58DB1B68E62B9F448DF1A276B0886DF16EC64A50@EX2010.hammerofgod.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 16:42:44 +0000
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>
To: Mario Vilas <mvilas@...il.com>, Romain Bourdy <achileos@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	Inc leartext <staff@...leartext.com>
Subject: Re: password.incleartext.com

This isn't necessarily true - without knowledge of how the data may be encrypted and what processes are involved in decrypting the data, one can't make the "it isn't secure" statement.

That being said, it is probably safe to argue that sites that do not require PCI, SOX, HIPPA, etc would be less inclined to engage in this level of security.  But that doesn't mean that it is not being done.

t

From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mario Vilas
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:05 AM
To: Romain Bourdy
Cc: full-disclosure; Inc leartext
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] password.incleartext.com

Actually, if they can get the data back (be it because it's stored in plaintext or in obfuscated plaintext) then it's not secure. Obfuscation doesn't make it more secure, or any less plaintext.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Romain Bourdy <achileos@...il.com<mailto:achileos@...il.com>> wrote:
Hi Full-Disclosure,

Just my two cents but ... the fact they can give your password back doesn't mean it's stored in cleartext, just that it's not hashed but encrypted with some way to get the original data back, this doesn't mean at all it's not secured, even though in most case it's not.

 -Romain

On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:36 PM, <Maksim.Filenko@...b.com<mailto:Maksim.Filenko@...b.com>> wrote:
Kinda plaintextoffenders.com<http://plaintextoffenders.com>?

wbr,
 - Max

full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk> wrote on 01.04.2011 02:17:24:

> Inc leartext <staff@...leartext.com<mailto:staff@...leartext.com>>
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> [Full-disclosure] password.incleartext.com<http://password.incleartext.com>
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> Hi FD,
>
> Just launched a new website to keep a list of websites storing
> passwords in clear text, so far the database is small but feel free
> to add some:
>     http://password.incleartext.com/

>
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