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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:12:16 +1100
From: GloW - XD <doomxd@...il.com>
To: Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

The media and such often gloss over the human aspects of an incident.

Bang, thats the thing that will get you behind jail, or no jail.
The press pushes it on, the people are always then arrested, because the
public need*answers* even when they do not understand much of the time what
exactly has happened, and wouldnt even if explained it to them..
Tahts the biggest thing affecting it, victims impact and, wether the victims
impact is press would help it, but they could just privately fund the arrest
if there is the right things in place , ie treatys, and leo etc is involved.
Thats kind of irrelevant, and only a small bunch of cases i would assume...
but there is much we do not see nor hear about.


On 4 October 2011 03:35, Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com>wrote:

> *laughs* I wholeheartedly agree, and the fact it is considered a "beautiful
> language" shows me that anyone who considers it beautiful in any way shape
> or form MUST be on fairly heavy doses of LSD... (I myself use Perl quite a
> bit, as I can understand it and it is relatively easy to use).
>
> My comments regarding intoxicants and coding/hacking are a errant thought
> regarding the fact that sometimes a malicious hacker may well be of impaired
> judgement (intoxicated) while doing evil work, and often may well feel
> remorse afterwards.
> One malicious/blackhat hacker I know of happened to suffer a LOT of
> personal grief (ruined his personal life for a while and suffered a bit of
> mental imbalance for a while) as a result of his drinking habits and his
> obsessiveness with his "work". And that was before law enforcement caught up
> with him. Strangely enough, since LE got involved he has been on the
> straight and narrow - sober for a while - and getting along with his
> education, along with fixing his own affairs. We recently discussed how he
> felt his actions were kind of an endless black hole - he felt he just could
> not stop, as it was the only thing he could "rely on".
>
> Remember - even the malicious guys are human too. The media and such often
> gloss over the human aspects of an incident.
>
> Perhaps Christian can cease and desist with his pointless flaming and if he
> has an issue he can perhaps directly email those of us who "offend" him
> rather than clogging the thread with anger?
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/3/2011 8:36 AM, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 09:11:33 PDT, Laurelai said:
>>>
>>>  I know a guy who codes perl on LSD, writes good code too.
>>>>
>>> To be fair, it's hard to tell if perl code was written with or without
>>> the use of LSD.
>>>
>>> It's certainly a language that shows LSD influence in the design. :)
>>>
>> I know right? When i study it it almost feels like im watching a pink
>> floyd video.
>>
>
>
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