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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:58:48 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:48 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
> On 10/3/2011 12:37 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Laurelai<laurelai@...echan.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2011 12:16 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Laurelai<laurelai@...echan.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/3/2011 10:42 AM, Antony widmal wrote:
>>>
>>> Using an external VPN provider to cover your trace clearly shows your
>>> incompetency and your idiot assumption.
>>> Trying to blame the VPN provider rather than accepting your mistake
>>> and learning from it clearly show your 3 years old mentality.
>>>
>>> Also, could you please stop posting as GLOW Xd as well ?
>>> We do not need your schizophrenic script kiddie "lolololol", "xD",
>>> hugs,  spamming on this mailing list.
>>>
>>> You being on this mailing list is once again not the best idea.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Antony
>>>
>>> Actually XD and me are two different people. Second issues of privacy
>>> are always relevant, not understanding that law abiding individuals
>>> should always be concerned about companies that hand over personal info
>>> at the request of an authority figure are the ones with three year old
>>> mentalities.
>>>
>>> maybe they are law abiding companies? :)
>>> this whole fuss wouldn't have happened, if everybody could just stay a
>>> law abiding citizen.
>>>
>>> The idea that "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry
>>> about" assumes that the government is full of good people that would not
>>> abuse their power, ever. Even if this were true now, we cannot be sure
>>> it'll
>>> be true in the future and its damn sure not true now.
>>
>> Definetly not true in the past. Confer: Martin Luther King was
>> subjected to tens of thousands of illegal wire taps by the FBI because
>> he (and a lot of other people) felt black folks should get the same
>> rights as white folks.
>>
>> The guy who did it was honored in death, and the bureau he helped
>> shape actually carries "fidelity" and "integrity" in their motto.
>> Twisted but true.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I am glad there are people here who understand the need for real privacy in
> the modern age.
>
> The US Government has proven *repeatedly* that the more power it has the
> less trustworthy it is especially when it comes to privacy concerns.

The threat model should include government and corporate:
http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2011-September/001474.html

Why is a third party (CAs) involved when a pre-exisiting relationship exisits:
http://lists.randombit.net/pipermail/cryptography/2011-September/001396.html

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