full-disclosure - Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:34:16 +1100
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com>
To: coderman <coderman@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

Really, at this stage yes, your right, at this moment with the legal ways as
they are, then for sure it is as you say..

this can be said another way: don't be stupid :)

This seems to be a general consensus I see.. I guess this is fd..cheers.
xd


On 5 October 2011 16:26, coderman <coderman@...il.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:04 PM, xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > This is where, as i was saying... a shell owner/employee, could easily
> make
> > any police run in circles simply trying to get a decent tap on
> something...
>
> yeah, then they just take whole provider, e.g.:
>
> "On Sept. 22nd, Microsoft filed for an ex parte temporary restraining
> order from the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of
> Virginia against Dominique Alexander Piatti, dotFREE Group SRO and
> John Does 1-22. The court granted our request, allowing us to sever
> the known connections between the Kelihos botnet and the individual
> “zombie computers” under its control. Immediately following the
> takedown on Sept. 26th, we served Dominique Alexander Piatti, who was
> living and operating his business in the Czech Republic, and dotFREE
> Group SRO, with notice of the lawsuit and began discussions with Mr.
> Piatti to determine which of his subdomains were being used for
> legitimate business, "
>
>
> short of it is basic =
>  be a discerning customer.
> - vpn providers that don't log are better than logging for any period
> no matter how short.
> - vpn providers that are technically competent are better than those
> which will expose you through leaks or when cracked.
> - vpn providers resistant to jurisdictional and payment processor
> pressure are better than those using easily coerced services, third
> parties, or vendors.
> - no vpn provider is resistant to you being an ass. if you raise big
> heat directly and exclusively on a VPN provider you are both stupid
> and subject to them cutting your service if not dumping your logs.
> this can be said another way: don't be stupid :)
>
>
> the incompetent and twofaced should be exposed however. i hear
> attrition.org likes to keep lists and name names ...
>

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