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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:29:38 +1100
From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
To: David Alanis <canito@...an.us>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/fast-and-furious-22-shocking-facts-about-the-scandal-that-could-bring-down-the-obama-administration

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:33 AM, David Alanis <canito@...an.us> wrote:

> Quoting Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>:
>
> > The thing these stupid people don't seem to get is that millionaires
> > and billionaires are the only ones that can afford to move elsewhere.
>
> You're an idiot.
>
> If you think that Obama is a Muslim, that Obama care will bring upon
> death panels, that Obama is a socialist, and that all millionaires and
> billionaires (including Thor), will move out just because they're
> called upon to pay more taxes and help America out of debt, you're an
> idiot.
>
> Please don't call me *stupid* just because you disagree with me
> politically.
>
> If you're not a millionaire or billionaire, how *would you know* that
> the 1% are packing getting ready to move?
>
> Did you pick this up from Fox News?
>
> (I won't respond to any of your response, I am done with this silly thread)
>
> > Tax them enough and they'll simply move to another country.  That's
> > already what's happening with corporations and with some individuals.
> > As their tax load increases, the incentive to simply move gets greater
> > and greater until one day they do.  Then their tax load goes to zero
> > and the money is gone forever.
> >
> > We've already seen these within the US, where millionaires are leaving
> > CA and NY for greener pastures.  If they leave the US entirely, they
> > won't be back.  Then who will the government get the money from?
> >
> > --On October 12, 2011 8:31:34 PM +0000 "Thor (Hammer of God)"
> > <thor@...merofgod.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, you said "nor do I care" so I too am confused.   However, since
> you
> >> did ask, there is an important aspect to your retort that you seem ok
> >> with dancing over, and that is the fact the "taxing millionaires and
> >> billionaires" would be *additional* taxes.   Mine won't go down, and in
> >> fact, will probably go up.   And I guarantee, without question and as
> >> definitely as the sun will rise tomorrow, when whatever "x" population
> is
> >> taxed more, and whatever "resolution" these people think will come from
> >> all of this noise, that they will CONTINUE to bitch and moan when other
> >> people have more than they do.
> >>
> >> The premise of "I am the 99%" or your use of "average" is specious.
> >> Average what?  Income?  No, that can't be it.  Education?  No, that's
> >> clearly not it.  Average tax payer?  Certainly not.   "Average" person
> >> bitching about how they don't have what they want and think it should
> >> magically be given to them?  Well, that's more like it, isn't it?
> >>
> >> The entire movement is a waste of time, and the "let them eat cake-ers"
> >> will find that out, as they always do, when they become the ones that
> >> have to start baking.
> >>
> >> The reason I posted the link is because it's freaking FUNNY to call out
> >> the ME-TOO'S!  Now if you'll excuse me, I must get back to my job so
> that
> >> I can try to afford the taxes taken out.
> >>
> >> t
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:
> full-disclosure-
> >>> bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Alanis
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:19 PM
> >>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> >>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
> >>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
> >>>
> >>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> No, it goes to show you how much most of the people bitching about
> >>>> all of this are full of shit, as per the oldie but goodie "Holiday
> >>>> in Cambodia" by the Dead Kennedy's.
> >>>>
> >>>> The people who REALLY need help are not the ones sitting around all
> >>>> day posting shite on the internet.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know where you're getting at or what political stance you take
> >>> nor do I care.
> >>>
> >>> If you don't think the people who are protesting against the greed of
> >>> wall street are average Americans, then you need help.
> >>>
> >>> Tell us then, since you cared enough to post a link trying to discredit
> >>> the anti- wall-street movement based on exifs. Who are the people who
> >>> need the help?
> >>>
> >>> Corporations? Cause I've heard opposing arguments by *average*
> >>> Americans that corporations are people.
> >>>
> >>> Last time I checked, Obama's Job Act gives even more tax breaks to
> >>> companies and extends unemployment benefits to *Americans* with out
> >>> jobs by taxing millionaires and billionaires.
> >>>
> >>> You have me confused.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> >>>>> [mailto:full-disclosure- bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> >>>>> David Alanis
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:21 AM
> >>>>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
> >>>>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > I saw this on FB and thought I would pass it along:
> >>>>> > http://99percentexif.tumblr.com/
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > It's the exif data from the photos the 99%'ers are posting -
> >>>>> > showing the $1000 systems, cameras, and software they are using to
> >>> post.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > t
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To me this goes to show right wing absurdity and the length they go
> >>>>> feed propaganda to the Fox News sheeople/believers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is the logic of the tumbler page anyway!?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you protest against rich filthy thieves you mustn't own a semi
> >>>>> decent camera?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Its not a right but a privilege to own a nice camera, now.
> >>>>>
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> >
> > --
> > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
> > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
> > are my own and not those of my employer.
> > *******************************************
> > "It is as useless to argue with those who have
> > renounced the use of reason as to administer
> > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson
> > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very
> > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell
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