Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:47:49 +1100
From: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
To: David Alanis <canito@...an.us>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com> wrote:

>
> http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/fast-and-furious-22-shocking-facts-about-the-scandal-that-could-bring-down-the-obama-administration
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:33 AM, David Alanis <canito@...an.us> wrote:
>
>> Quoting Paul Schmehl <pschmehl_lists@...rr.com>:
>>
>> > The thing these stupid people don't seem to get is that millionaires
>> > and billionaires are the only ones that can afford to move elsewhere.
>>
>> You're an idiot.
>>
>> If you think that Obama is a Muslim, that Obama care will bring upon
>> death panels, that Obama is a socialist, and that all millionaires and
>> billionaires (including Thor), will move out just because they're
>> called upon to pay more taxes and help America out of debt, you're an
>> idiot.
>>
>> Please don't call me *stupid* just because you disagree with me
>> politically.
>>
>> If you're not a millionaire or billionaire, how *would you know* that
>> the 1% are packing getting ready to move?
>>
>> Did you pick this up from Fox News?
>>
>> (I won't respond to any of your response, I am done with this silly
>> thread)
>>
>> > Tax them enough and they'll simply move to another country.  That's
>> > already what's happening with corporations and with some individuals.
>> > As their tax load increases, the incentive to simply move gets greater
>> > and greater until one day they do.  Then their tax load goes to zero
>> > and the money is gone forever.
>> >
>> > We've already seen these within the US, where millionaires are leaving
>> > CA and NY for greener pastures.  If they leave the US entirely, they
>> > won't be back.  Then who will the government get the money from?
>> >
>> > --On October 12, 2011 8:31:34 PM +0000 "Thor (Hammer of God)"
>> > <thor@...merofgod.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, you said "nor do I care" so I too am confused.   However, since
>> you
>> >> did ask, there is an important aspect to your retort that you seem ok
>> >> with dancing over, and that is the fact the "taxing millionaires and
>> >> billionaires" would be *additional* taxes.   Mine won't go down, and in
>> >> fact, will probably go up.   And I guarantee, without question and as
>> >> definitely as the sun will rise tomorrow, when whatever "x" population
>> is
>> >> taxed more, and whatever "resolution" these people think will come from
>> >> all of this noise, that they will CONTINUE to bitch and moan when other
>> >> people have more than they do.
>> >>
>> >> The premise of "I am the 99%" or your use of "average" is specious.
>> >> Average what?  Income?  No, that can't be it.  Education?  No, that's
>> >> clearly not it.  Average tax payer?  Certainly not.   "Average" person
>> >> bitching about how they don't have what they want and think it should
>> >> magically be given to them?  Well, that's more like it, isn't it?
>> >>
>> >> The entire movement is a waste of time, and the "let them eat cake-ers"
>> >> will find that out, as they always do, when they become the ones that
>> >> have to start baking.
>> >>
>> >> The reason I posted the link is because it's freaking FUNNY to call out
>> >> the ME-TOO'S!  Now if you'll excuse me, I must get back to my job so
>> that
>> >> I can try to afford the taxes taken out.
>> >>
>> >> t
>> >>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:
>> full-disclosure-
>> >>> bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Alanis
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:19 PM
>> >>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
>> >>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> No, it goes to show you how much most of the people bitching about
>> >>>> all of this are full of shit, as per the oldie but goodie "Holiday
>> >>>> in Cambodia" by the Dead Kennedy's.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The people who REALLY need help are not the ones sitting around all
>> >>>> day posting shite on the internet.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know where you're getting at or what political stance you take
>> >>> nor do I care.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you don't think the people who are protesting against the greed of
>> >>> wall street are average Americans, then you need help.
>> >>>
>> >>> Tell us then, since you cared enough to post a link trying to
>> discredit
>> >>> the anti- wall-street movement based on exifs. Who are the people who
>> >>> need the help?
>> >>>
>> >>> Corporations? Cause I've heard opposing arguments by *average*
>> >>> Americans that corporations are people.
>> >>>
>> >>> Last time I checked, Obama's Job Act gives even more tax breaks to
>> >>> companies and extends unemployment benefits to *Americans* with out
>> >>> jobs by taxing millionaires and billionaires.
>> >>>
>> >>> You have me confused.
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> >>>>> [mailto:full-disclosure- bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> David Alanis
>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:21 AM
>> >>>>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [OT] Obama said: "American people
>> >>>>> understand that not everybody's been following the rules"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Quoting "Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor@...merofgod.com>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > I saw this on FB and thought I would pass it along:
>> >>>>> > http://99percentexif.tumblr.com/
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > It's the exif data from the photos the 99%'ers are posting -
>> >>>>> > showing the $1000 systems, cameras, and software they are using to
>> >>> post.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > t
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To me this goes to show right wing absurdity and the length they go
>> >>>>> feed propaganda to the Fox News sheeople/believers.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What is the logic of the tumbler page anyway!?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you protest against rich filthy thieves you mustn't own a semi
>> >>>>> decent camera?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Its not a right but a privilege to own a nice camera, now.
>> >>>>>
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>> >
>> > --
>> > Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
>> > As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
>> > are my own and not those of my employer.
>> > *******************************************
>> > "It is as useless to argue with those who have
>> > renounced the use of reason as to administer
>> > medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson
>> > "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very
>> > intelligent person could believe in them." George Orwell
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