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Message-ID: <4E9651D3.1050000@oneechan.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 21:49:55 -0500 From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> To: noloader@...il.com Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Snail mail vs. Email On 10/12/2011 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Laurelai<laurelai@...echan.org> wrote: >> On 10/12/2011 1:26 PM, Daniel Sichel wrote: >>>> Well there is no push to make snail-mail encrypted and lets face it >>> most >>>> peoples mailboxes don't have any sort of locking mechanisms and is >>>> available to anyone with two hands and the malicious intent to steal >>>> someones mail however the US Gov needs a warrant to intercept your >>>> physical mail, why does it being online somehow make it different? >>> What makes it different (and this is just me speaking, I don't really >>> know how others >>> feel or what current political thinking is on this)is that the internet >>> represents a new, >>> unregulated medium that can redefine some traditional standards and ways >>> of doing >>> Things in order to do them better. For me, as a conservative, less >>> regulation an more personal responsibility is better. >>> >>> I will say something probably a bit unusual, especially these days, >>> reasonable men may differ on this view. A very credible argument for >>> regulation can be made, I just keep coming back the reality that >>> virtually every regulated medium of communication becomes a point of >>> control. To shamelessly steal and warp a phrase, "The power to regulate >>> is the power to destroy." >>> >>> I would prefer to be responsible for my own privacy and pit my skills >>> against the Feds at keeping it that way rather than "trust" them not to >>> abuse their access to my "protected" email. >>> >>> I work in the phone business and we have CALEA requirements which >>> supposedly allows law enforcement to carry out their sanctioned wire >>> taps anonymously to protect suspects' right to privacy. I may be wrong, >>> but it seems pretty abusable (if that's a word) to me. I do NOT want >>> that on the Internet. >> Right and the way to stop that is to require a warrant and a paper >> trail, if someone serves a warrant at your home you get a copy of the >> warrant and you can ensure they only get exactly what the warrant states >> and *nothing more* these warantless email seizures have no such limits >> or accountability.they can literally come in and take copies of all your >> emails and you will never know about it, and they can do it for >> practically any reason, if you encrypt your email they will just demand >> they keys/passwords with a court order and you can't really fight it >> without spending time in jail, the US Gov simply doesn't have enough >> accountability or transparency, that's why we *need* more legal >> protections, if cops kick down your door without a warrant then anything >> they find rightfully cant be used as evidence, the same thing should >> apply to electronic communications. > In the US, we have the legal protections (on paper). The laws are not > enforced; the checks are balances are lacking; and there is no > accountatbility for public officials. > > There's not a lot we can do when a public official disregards the law, > and subsequently goes unpunished. The ACLU and EFF do a great job, but > until public officials spend time imprisoned for their actions, > nothing will change. > > Jeff That is a good point Jeff, all the more reason to push for change and reform. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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