full-disclosure - Re: Snail mail vs. Email

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Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 01:11:26 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Snail mail vs. Email

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
> On 10/12/2011 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Laurelai<laurelai@...echan.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/12/2011 1:26 PM, Daniel Sichel wrote:
>>>>> [SNIP]
>>>>
>>>> I work in the phone business and we have CALEA requirements which
>>>> supposedly allows law enforcement to carry out their sanctioned wire
>>>> taps anonymously to protect suspects' right to privacy. I may be wrong,
>>>> but it seems pretty abusable (if that's a word) to me.  I do NOT want
>>>> that on the Internet.
>>>
>>> Right and the way to stop that is to require a warrant and a paper
>>> trail, if someone serves a warrant at your home you get a copy of the
>>> warrant and you can ensure they only get exactly what the warrant states
>>> and *nothing more* these warantless email seizures have no such limits
>>> or accountability.they can literally come in and take copies of all your
>>> emails and you will never know about it, and they can do it for
>>> practically any reason, if you encrypt your email they will just demand
>>> they keys/passwords with a court order and you can't really fight it
>>> without spending time in jail, the US Gov simply doesn't have enough
>>> accountability or transparency, that's why we *need* more legal
>>> protections, if cops kick down your door without a warrant then anything
>>> they find rightfully cant be used as evidence, the same thing should
>>> apply to electronic communications.
>>
>> In the US, we have the legal protections (on paper). The laws are not
>> enforced; the checks are balances are lacking; and there is no
>> accountatbility for public officials.
>>
>> There's not a lot we can do when a public official disregards the law,
>> and subsequently goes unpunished. The ACLU and EFF do a great job, but
>> until public officials spend time imprisoned for their actions,
>> nothing will change.
>
> That is a good point Jeff, all the more reason to push for change and
> reform.
Sparta, as one of the first democracies, had it right. They put the
public officials on trial when their term expired because they knew
what Class A fuck-ups they were. Its funny how that lesson was lost to
history.

Jeff

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