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Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:53:34 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: "Ivan ." <ivanhec@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com> wrote:
>> don't feed the trolls
>>
>> http://whatreallyhappened.com/
> Don't forget http://www.collateralmurder.com/.
>
> Its appalling the US pilots of the helicopter make a joke and laugh
> when they shoot the children ("they shouldn't have brought their kids
> to work", IIRC).
My bad. The Apache pilot joked, "It's their fault for bringing their
kids into a battle" (at 15:28), with 'their' meaning the civilians and
Reuters employees killed by the US military in an unprovoked attack.

Jeff

>> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/13/2011 7:11 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>>>
>>> > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>>> No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit. Making
>>> profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go somewhere
>>> further in the chain.
>>> Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank that refused
>>> to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
>>> productive.
>>> Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because they
>>> decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did have a
>>> right in the first place...).
>>>
>>> So by your logic the civil disobedience that helped sparked the
>>> revolutionary war is worse than if someone had done the same acts just to
>>> drive up tea prices? Again I also remind you the trickle down theory doesn't
>>> work
>>>
>>> > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>>> > responsibility in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect,
>>> > but the largest share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>>> The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell you a bottle
>>> of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>>>
>>> But we did see him increase deregulation and allow this to happen, we also
>>> saw him provoke a war with another country based on a known lie for the sole
>>> purpose of gaining resources and more control in the middle east. We saw him
>>> legalize torture and saw him strip away a good chunk of our civil liberties
>>> so the anti terror industry could make a buck. But like you said its ok
>>> since someone is making money off of it. Who needs civil liberties anyways
>>> right?
>>>
>>> > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every dime of it,
>>> > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>>> Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC subway would
>>> thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get things off you.
>>> Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases, other
>>> than myself.
>>>
>>> Frankly 90% of people on this list would just thank $deity i suddenly
>>> dropped dead regardless of how much stuff i had :)
>>>
>>> Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little more
>>> effort. For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they did
>>> legally wrong.
>>> Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted. The "99%
>>> protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't right wrongs by
>>> pointing at jailed people.
>>>
>>> [SNIP]
>

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