full-disclosure - Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand that not everybody's been following the rules"

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Message-ID: <CAH8yC8=e2g6p3Zv=PdW=BHEhW9xWaf7CAD31ckR3bipSpKnGNA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:29:49 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Darren Martyn <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Darren Martyn
<d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com> wrote:
> ...And what, exactly, gave the US the right to be there in the first place?
> Non existant WMD? Human rights? The US has to stop seeing themselves as
> international police.
The US can't police itself; and it has no business trying to police
others. The UN Security Council is a joke - it should have stopped the
US a long time ago (an impossibility under its current structure).

Jeff

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Obviously not.
>>
>> Again.  They looked like they had weapons.  The pilots weren't
>> wondering...they were sure they saw weapons.
>>
>> They then engaged what appeared to be a clear threat to other US
>> forces nearby.
>>
>> The pilots acted exactly as they should have, given the information
>> presented to them.  This was a war zone, not a country club.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Except that they weren't obviously unarmed.
>> >>
>> >> Not only where they not obviously unarmed, they appeared to be armed.
>> >>
>> >> Look at the 4 minute mark.
>> >>
>> >> That sure as shit looks like an RPG.
>> >>
>> >> The crew thought the group was armed.  Ergo, they were cleared to
>> >> engage.
>> >>
>> >> This wasn't a war crime...and the allegation that it was just makes
>> >> people look ridiculous.
>> > Listen to yourself: we weren't sure if they were armed, so we killed
>> > them. Put yourself and your family in the shoes of the dead folks. Its
>> > not a comfortable place to be, is it?
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:05 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 22:44:44 PDT, Mike Hale said:
>> >>>> Seriously!  Think about the injustice of having American helicopters
>> >>>> engage armed individuals shadowing American soldiers.
>> >>>
>> >>> Shooting at "armed individuals" is one thing.  If it's "civilians and
>> >>> Reuters
>> >>> employees" who *aren't* obviously armed, it's something else.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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