full-disclosure - Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default

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Message-ID: <CALCvwp7pJKMQXhyEQZ1Z0rBcjyfZawWzSMCFHfTqS7NJ1w6Qdw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:29:31 +1100
From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com>
To: james@...o-internet.org.uk
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default

Ok, what happens then if we have a bug in sudo binary, and the box has
both su and sudo binarys available... again, ill use sudo -g bug as
example..... why are both needed, why not make one secure method to
have sudoers... this is one area on linux i never have liked.


On 20 November 2011 06:44,  <james@...o-internet.org.uk> wrote:
> Effective user id as a short answer; compare sudo whoami and su - whoami
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com>
> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:47
> To: james@...o-internet.org.uk<james@...o-internet.org.uk>
> Cc: Johan Nestaas<johannestaas@...il.com>; full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>; Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default
>
> What is the security differential between su and sudo bash?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:15 AM, james@...o-internet.org.uk wrote:
>
>> I'll second that; the isp I work at has a sizeable ubuntu customer base and these are customers who have made an informed decision.
>>
>> Now; let's consider ubuntu's inherited security from debian such as configuring a 'mortal account' (admittedly can be ignored in the preseed) and then the lack of perms on su; must use sudo.
>>
>> This is a distro that is newbie friendly but is not designed specifically for them.
>>
>> Unfortunately, though, you make a distro with simplified tasks (printer installation a fantastic example) and people, especially long term linuxers- though I ought to be included I guess, remember back all too easily to when everything was an uphill struggle: "what do you mean I don't have to compile this as a flipping module? That's not freedom!" Being all too familiar.
>>
>> Just my tuppence worth anyway.
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Nestaas <johannestaas@...il.com>
>> Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:04:46
>> To: Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>
>> Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default
>>
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