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Message-ID: <CALCvwp7pJKMQXhyEQZ1Z0rBcjyfZawWzSMCFHfTqS7NJ1w6Qdw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:29:31 +1100 From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> To: james@...o-internet.org.uk Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default Ok, what happens then if we have a bug in sudo binary, and the box has both su and sudo binarys available... again, ill use sudo -g bug as example..... why are both needed, why not make one secure method to have sudoers... this is one area on linux i never have liked. On 20 November 2011 06:44, <james@...o-internet.org.uk> wrote: > Effective user id as a short answer; compare sudo whoami and su - whoami > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com> > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:47 > To: james@...o-internet.org.uk<james@...o-internet.org.uk> > Cc: Johan Nestaas<johannestaas@...il.com>; full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>; Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default > > What is the security differential between su and sudo bash? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:15 AM, james@...o-internet.org.uk wrote: > >> I'll second that; the isp I work at has a sizeable ubuntu customer base and these are customers who have made an informed decision. >> >> Now; let's consider ubuntu's inherited security from debian such as configuring a 'mortal account' (admittedly can be ignored in the preseed) and then the lack of perms on su; must use sudo. >> >> This is a distro that is newbie friendly but is not designed specifically for them. >> >> Unfortunately, though, you make a distro with simplified tasks (printer installation a fantastic example) and people, especially long term linuxers- though I ought to be included I guess, remember back all too easily to when everything was an uphill struggle: "what do you mean I don't have to compile this as a flipping module? That's not freedom!" Being all too familiar. >> >> Just my tuppence worth anyway. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Johan Nestaas <johannestaas@...il.com> >> Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk >> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:04:46 >> To: Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr> >> Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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