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Message-ID: <CALCvwp50f4EHmw7q2iEvpemhycYi6uJzhgpX7BLXjjH8ypR9JQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 08:31:12 +1100 From: xD 0x41 <secn3t@...il.com> To: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default Already 2 conflicting answers,abit of confusion i might say.... this is exactly why it should be ONE flippin binary. On 20 November 2011 06:54, Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com> wrote: > Er, sudo bash gives you /dev/kmem, access to the hard drive block device... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 19, 2011, at 11:44 AM, james@...o-internet.org.uk wrote: > >> Effective user id as a short answer; compare sudo whoami and su - whoami >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Kaminsky <dan@...para.com> >> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:36:47 >> To: james@...o-internet.org.uk<james@...o-internet.org.uk> >> Cc: Johan Nestaas<johannestaas@...il.com>; full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk>; Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr>; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> >> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default >> >> What is the security differential between su and sudo bash? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:15 AM, james@...o-internet.org.uk wrote: >> >>> I'll second that; the isp I work at has a sizeable ubuntu customer base and these are customers who have made an informed decision. >>> >>> Now; let's consider ubuntu's inherited security from debian such as configuring a 'mortal account' (admittedly can be ignored in the preseed) and then the lack of perms on su; must use sudo. >>> >>> This is a distro that is newbie friendly but is not designed specifically for them. >>> >>> Unfortunately, though, you make a distro with simplified tasks (printer installation a fantastic example) and people, especially long term linuxers- though I ought to be included I guess, remember back all too easily to when everything was an uphill struggle: "what do you mean I don't have to compile this as a flipping module? That's not freedom!" Being all too familiar. >>> >>> Just my tuppence worth anyway. >>> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Johan Nestaas <johannestaas@...il.com> >>> Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk >>> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:04:46 >>> To: Olivier<feuille@...ibox.fr> >>> Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> >>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Ubuntu 11.10 now unsecure by default >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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