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Message-ID: <CAN3um4wHguo5RqqqCAKjFea76Ozq8HS=F22Sq=vGQ3UrmB1scw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 00:08:51 -0800 From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com> To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom Not necessarily. Look at the effects of people posting DeCSS and the HDDVD keys a while back. The industry ended up giving in precisely because people said, en masse, "fuck off". On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> wrote: > No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the "fuck you" Byron mentioned) > isn't fruitful to remedy the situation. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com> > wrote: >> >> What you said doesn't follow. >> >> Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business. The analogy >> linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous. >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> >> wrote: >> > Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old >> > business, if you know what I mean... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne <byron.sonne@...il.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key >> >> things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline & Fall is this: >> >> >> >> The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly >> >> relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the laws >> >> are ignored and ineffective. Laws can't prevent a damn thing, they can >> >> only specify remedies. As it is said, "it's only illegal if you get >> >> caught". >> >> >> >> The cat is out of the bag and will never be put back in. There's no way >> >> to stop people from 'illegally' copying copyrighted material. >> >> >> >> If they somehow managed to require and implement tech so that perfect >> >> digital copies can't be made (unlikely) then people will simply use a >> >> camera to record the video as it plays on the screen. Hey, wait a >> >> minute, that sounds just like that screener I downloaded someone taped >> >> in Russia! ;) >> >> >> >> If they manage to require and implement tech so that you can't trade it >> >> over the internet (unlikely) then people will simply trade it on >> >> private >> >> networks or, like we used to do in the old days, via sneakernet. >> >> >> >> The problem is that in an attempt to control the dissemination of >> >> copyrighted material (and people are right, artists do have a right to >> >> reap the benefits of their effort) the powers-that-be are stepping over >> >> the line and into territory that impacts our ability to communicate in >> >> the fashion we choose. >> >> >> >> It might be fine to try and prevent piracy but in the process of doing >> >> so you are trashing the other desires of people that have nothing to do >> >> with piracy. >> >> >> >> I'm sure if the copyright lobby had their way, they'd require us to >> >> wear >> >> special glasses in order to see our laptop screens, on the assumption >> >> that anything not explicitly licensed was assumed to be unlicensed, and >> >> thus pirated, which we would be blocked from our field of view... and >> >> as >> >> a result, some girl/guy who wants to write a simple freeware text >> >> editor >> >> now has to jump through regulatory hoops and spend money to obtain a >> >> special registration that allows their text editor to display to the >> >> screen. This is a cheesy example, but I think it makes the point. >> >> >> >> In the guise of 'protecting artists and businesses' what is happening >> >> is >> >> that the powers-that-be are requesting (and too often getting) powers >> >> that allow them to trample on the general idea of freedom of >> >> communications and other things people cherish. >> >> >> >> As a result, people are inclined to engage in the very behaviours that >> >> elicited the laws and crackdowns, quite simply, as a way to raise their >> >> middle finger and say "Fuck You". >> >> >> >> This is when piracy and theft becomes freedom of expression - when it's >> >> done in protest. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://www.freebyron.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 > > -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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