full-disclosure - Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran

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Message-ID: <20120607090530.4611cde6@terabyte>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:05:30 -0400
From: Benjamin Kreuter <ben.kreuter@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
	Against Iran

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 18:08:01 -0400
valdis.kletnieks@...edu wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:41:24 -0400, Laurelai said:
> 
> > People seem to think that since the US Gov did it that makes it ok,
> > well I do not think it does. Especially when they throw kids with
> > small botnets in jail for being mad at the system cause its crooked.
> 
> You're a little bit confused here.  It doesn't matter what "people"
> think. It matters what "the people with more rifles, mortars, tanks,
> and ammo than you" think.
> 
> Unless you come up with a way to level the playing field.

We are not so savage that we decide who is powerful by military
strength.  Money plays a much bigger role in deciding power in our
society; people with money have significant influence over the military
and paramilitary police, and many make decisions that affect millions
of people every day.  Chris Dodd basically stated an expectation that
laws can be bought after PIPA and SOPA failed, as if the money the MPAA
had donated to politicians was supposed to guarantee that those
politicians would do what the MPAA tells them to do.  Armies and wars
are expensive and need to be paid for, and money is how we pay for such
things.

Law enforcement (i.e. the use of guns) is rarely needed to maintain the
power of money; most people accept the laws that surround money and try
to follow them.  People pay taxes when asked politely, they pay fines
and damages that courts assess, they repay loans when legally obligated
to so, and so forth.  Disputes over money are almost always settled
without violence and without the need to call in the police, even in
cases where people broke the law.  Even violent criminal gangs need
money, despite being in possession of guns and despite a willingness to
make use of those guns.

Alexander Dumas stated it better than I can:

"What I mean, my dear fellow, is that I shall do more by myself with my
gold than you and all your people with their daggers, their pistols,
their carbines and their blunderbusses.  So let me do it." (The Count
of Monte Cristo)

-- Ben

-- 
Benjamin R Kreuter
UVA Computer Science
brk7bx@...ginia.edu
KK4FJZ

--

"If large numbers of people are interested in freedom of speech, there
will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it; if public
opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even
if laws exist to protect them." - George Orwell

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