full-disclosure - Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran

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Message-ID: <4FD25010.8000805@oneechan.org>
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:18:40 -0400
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
 Against Iran

On 6/8/12 3:12 PM, Ian Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps the US Government would gain better results by mass protests and
>> chanting peace songs.
>>
>> Or perhaps it just doesn't work this way.
>>
>> They shouldn't be blamed, everyone knows fighting fire with fire is very
>> effective, just as everyone
>> knows the people calling the government names are the same ones with small
>> botnets lying about.
>> Can't blame them, now that someone else is using their own tools against
>> them.
> I call upon the ghost of Heinlein: "Anyone who clings to the
> historically untrue—and thoroughly immoral—doctrine that, ‘violence
> never settles anything’ I would advise to conjure the ghosts of
> Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it.
> The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the
> Dodo, the Great Auk and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force,
> has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the
> contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget
> this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and
> freedom.”
>
> There are those out there in power who only know the language of
> brute, naked force. No amount of cajoling, pleading, bargaining nor
> wheedling will sway them. On appeals to their better nature, no
> brilliant displays of logic and intellect. Pretty words uttered by
> politicians fall on deaf ears. But a punch to the nose, a kick to the
> nuts -the universal language of violence- that's something they
> understand intimately. And they respect that. Of course it's always
> preferable to sit down at the negotiating table and barter out a
> peace. What do we do when they knock over the table and make a mess?
>
> What separates us from them is the fact that we normally don't speak
> the universal language from the get-go. Is it deplorable? Yes. But
> like having to take a crap every now and then, it's necessary. The
> murder of civilans is certainly a terrible crime, but that and the
> release of some malware that breaks centrifuges is certainly better
> than other options.
>
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I don't see how Iran developing nuclear power is a threat, I'm sorry to
me this just seems like more fear mongering.

And remember the only nation that has ever shown itself *insane* enough
to actually use nuclear weapons on other human beings is the USA and
history showed the use was completely unwarranted. I don't get why we
can have literally enough nuclear weapons to wipe out all life on the
surface of the planet but Iran developing nuclear *power* is somehow a
national security threat.

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