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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:38:22 -0400
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
 Against Iran

On 6/8/12 3:33 PM, James Condron wrote:
> Aaaaaand now we degenerate into a political argument nobody but the poster gives a fuck about.
>
> Ta for that, maybe take it elsewhere. Let's keep on topic (though we may be several posts behind)
>
> Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bzzz <lazyvirus@....com>
> Sender: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:03:51 
> To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks
>  Against Iran
>
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 13:36:07 -0400
> Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
>
>> Excuse me but im a veteran who served 10 years in the Army and I
>> damn well earned my right to complain about how broken the system
>> is, myself and the soldiers around me sacrificed so that we could
>> all have a free country and that yes I could "whine" about it. Its
>> called the US Constitution, we took an oath to uphold and defend
>> it and everything it stands for. 
> And in 10 years you didn't understood how the system is working,
> that you were following orders from people that won't ever take
> any risk (nor their family & friends), that are themselves receiving
> their orders from big money/business/poliotics you'll never see on
> tv nor in any newspaper.
>
>> So while I'm saying here that the civil liberties I swore to
>> uphold and defend are eroding away and that evil is triumphing
>> over the US, you are telling me this is business as usual.
> You are not lucid, your country has _always_ been a rat lab where
> masters tell you that you're free, but dig a (tiny) bit and you'll
> see that's always been a big fat lie (ie: you pay income taxes?
> but the 19th amendment has never been ratified - and your own
> justice is enforcing sanctions if you don't pay, knowing what they
> do is totally illegal...)
>
>> Just because something evil is the established way of things or is
>> becoming the established way of things doesn't mean we have to or
>> should accept it. Perhaps *you* should stop being so cold and
>> jaded about the evils of the world and put some you know *effort*
>> into fixing them instead of trying to shout down anyone who tries
>> or talks about trying to make the world better.
> I think he's living in a real world and look at it coldly & without
> any indulgence.
>
>> You are honestly implying that there is absolutely nothing that
>> can ever be done ever and we should all just lie down and take it,
>> can you understand why I might take issue with that perspective?
>> You are saying in essence "There is no more room to improve so we
>> should never again try."
> Thor missed one thing though: he said "people are doing things for 2
> reasons; get laid or get paid", there are 2 more reasons: for fun
> and for ideals; the latest being the most dangerous thing in the
> whole world.
>
> Jean-Yves
Thank you, lets now discuss how infosec experts are going to deal with
the threat of state sponsored cyberwarfare, and "bend over and take it"
is not really a good answer.

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