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Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 15:33:18 +0300
From: Julius Kivimäki <julius.kivimaki@...il.com>
To: Źmicier Januszkiewicz <gauri@....by>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: PayPal.com XSS Vulnerability

Well, they don't exactly state that they're going to pay you either.


2013/5/29 Źmicier Januszkiewicz <gauri@....by>

> Hmm, interesting.
>
> For some reason I fail to find the mentioned "age requirements" at the
> official bug bounty page located at
> https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/reporting-security-issues
> Am I looking in the wrong direction? Can someone please point to where
> this is written?
>
> With kind regards,
> Z.
>
>
> 2013/5/29 Robert Kugler <robert.kugler10@...il.com>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/5/29 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
>>
>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Robert Kugler
>>> <robert.kugler10@...il.com> wrote:
>>> > Hello all!
>>> >
>>> > I'm Robert Kugler a 17 years old German student who's interested in
>>> securing
>>> > computer systems.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to warn you that PayPal.com is vulnerable to a Cross-Site
>>> > Scripting vulnerability!
>>> > PayPal Inc. is running a bug bounty program for professional security
>>> > researchers.
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> > Unfortunately PayPal disqualified me from receiving any bounty payment
>>> > because of being 17 years old...
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> > I don’t want to allege PayPal a kind of bug bounty cost saving, but
>>> it’s not
>>> > the best idea when you're interested in motivated security
>>> researchers...
>>> Fortunately Microsoft and Firefox took a more reasonable positions for
>>> the bugs you discovered with their products.
>>>
>>> PCWorld and MSN picked up the story:
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2039940/paypal-denies-teenager-reward-for-finding-website-bug.html
>>> and
>>> http://now.msn.com/paypal-denies-reward-to-robert-kugler-teen-who-found-bug-in-code
>>> .
>>> It is now news worthy to Wikipedia, where it will live forever under
>>> Criticisms (unfortunately, it appears PayPal does a lot of
>>> questionable things so its just one of a long list).
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>
>> Today I received an email from PayPal Site Security:
>>
>> "Hi Robert,
>>
>> We appreciate your research efforts and we are sorry that our
>> age requirements restrict you from participating in our Bug Bounty Program.
>> With regards to your specific bug submission, we should have also mentioned
>> that the vulnerability you submitted was previously reported by another
>> researcher and we are already actively fixing the issue. We hope that you
>> understand that bugs that have previously been reported to us are not
>> eligible for payment as we must honor the original researcher that provided
>> the vulnerability.
>>
>> I would also mention that in general, PayPal has been a consistent
>> supporter of what is known as “responsible disclosure”.  That is, ensuring
>> that a company has a reasonable amount of time to fix a bug from
>> notification to public disclosure.  This allows the company to fix the bug,
>> so that criminals cannot use that knowledge to exploit it, but still gives
>> the researchers the ability to draw attention to their skills and
>> experience.  When researchers go down the “full disclosure” path, it then
>> puts us in a race with criminals who may successfully use the vulnerability
>> you found to victimize our customers.  We do not support the full
>> disclosure methodology, precisely because it puts real people at
>> unnecessary risk. We hope you keep that in mind when doing future research.
>>
>> We acknowledge that PayPal can do more to recognize younger security
>> researchers around the world. As a first step, we would like you to be the
>> first security researcher in the history of our program to receive an
>> official "Letter of Recognition" from our Chief Information Security
>> Officer Michael Barrett (attached, will follow up with a signed copy
>> tomorrow). We truly appreciate your contribution to helping keep PayPal
>> secure for our customers and we will continue to explore other ways that we
>> can we provide alternate recognition for younger researchers.
>>
>> We'd welcome the chance to explain this all to you first hand over the
>> phone, please email us at this address with a number and good time to reach
>> you and we’d be happy to follow-up.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> PayPal Site Security"
>>
>> It's still curious that they only mentioned the first researcher who
>> previously found the bug after all the media attention...Nevertheless I
>> appreciate their intentions to acknowledge also younger security
>> researchers, it's a step in the right direction!!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Robert Kugler
>>
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