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Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 18:36:54 -0400
From: Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net>
To: XF <theiemsolution@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
	online

I think the NSA could twist arms in the U.S. and I think that they could
have a deal with the U.K. and maybe Canada, what I have HUGE doubts
about is how they transport all of that data back to their data centres,
unless they have a massive quantity of dark (private) fibre that no one
knows about.

Gary B

On 08/01/2013 04:46 PM, XF wrote:
> So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ?
> Even in Europ ? This sound crazy
>
>
>
> Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net
> <mailto:gary@...ibault.net>> a écrit :
>
>> Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data
>> centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the
>> Tier 1 carriers. Sure sounds far fetched!
>>
>> Gary B
>>
>>
>> On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote:
>>> Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS
>>> ? And how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on
>>> your network" :-) This would say that ISP agree and the amount of
>>> data to transfer would be so vast . How can they transfer all this
>>> amount of data into their system ??
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net
>>> <mailto:gary@...ibault.net>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of
>>>> the U.S. would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They
>>>> have to be tapping all of the major traffic exchange sites in the
>>>> U.S. to get this kind of data.
>>>>
>>>> Gary B
>>>>
>>>> On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote:
>>>> > Did you understood how they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP backdoor ?
>>>> Optical tap on sub marine wire ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Le 1 aou^t 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com>
>>>> a écrit :
>>>> >
>>>> >> it will be interesting to me what will remain of the nsa
>>>> >> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money to the usa.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Detroit news are not very pink.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh Davenport wrote:
>>>> >>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister suggests that we aren't
>>>> >>> the slaves for nsa...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>>>> >>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/
>>>> >>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do
>>>> online'
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> From the presentation:
>>>> >>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in country X
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that has no
>>>> >>>> connection to known strong-selectors
>>>> >>>> **Anomalous events
>>>> >>>> ***Someone who is using encryption
>>>> >>>>
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