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Message-ID: <CAH8yC8k0hTERUCGRxs802Md7zf+102aHEwe4G_Dj+0awjJ9=Mw@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:47:59 -0400 From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com> To: Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> Subject: Re: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> wrote: > I think the NSA could twist arms in the U.S. and I think that they could > have a deal with the U.K. and maybe Canada, what I have HUGE doubts about is > how they transport all of that data back to their data centres, unless they > have a massive quantity of dark (private) fibre that no one knows about. It does not appear to be a centralized architecture. According to slides, they have servers situated all around the world. Per slide 5, there are 500+ servers. According to slide 7, there are 700+ servers at 150 sites throughout the world. The reason for the difference in numbers of servers is not readily apparent. When an analysts performs a query, the servers return the appropriate data. Jeff > On 08/01/2013 04:46 PM, XF wrote: > > So you think this is real ? All Tiers 1 would be partner with NSA ? Even in > Europ ? This sound crazy > > > > Le 1 août 2013 à 22:19, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> a écrit : > > Don't forget that they also have to back haul that data to their data > centres !! They would have to have secret agreements with all of the Tier 1 > carriers. Sure sounds far fetched! > > Gary B > > > On 08/01/2013 03:51 PM, XF wrote: > > Right. But where are their tap ? In Internet Exchange Point ? In AS ? And > how can they do that ? "Hello, I'm NSA, can I get a TAP on your network" :-) > This would say that ISP agree and the amount of data to transfer would be so > vast . How can they transfer all this amount of data into their system ?? > > > Le 1 août 2013 à 20:56, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> a écrit : > > Optically tapping ALL of the submarine cable going into and out of the U.S. > would still not give them ALL of the claimed data. They have to be tapping > all of the major traffic exchange sites in the U.S. to get this kind of > data. > > Gary B > > On 08/01/2013 11:31 AM, XF wrote: >> Did you understood how they collect data ? This is not clear for me...ISP >> backdoor ? Optical tap on sub marine wire ? >> >> Le 1 août 2013 à 16:26, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com> a écrit : >> >>> it will be interesting to me what will remain of the nsa >>> when the chinese comrades stop giving fresh money to the usa. >>> >>> Detroit news are not very pink. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 11:20:27PM +1200, Hugh Davenport wrote: >>>> meanwhile, in new zealand, prime minister suggests that we aren't >>>> the slaves for nsa... >>>> >>>> On 2013-08-01 19:23, Georgi Guninski wrote: >>>>> XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ >>>>> New NSA tool exposed: XKeyscore sees 'nearly EVERYTHING you do online' >>>>> >>>>> From the presentation: >>>>> * Show me all the exploitable machines in country X >>>>> >>>>> * How do I find a cell of terrorust that has no >>>>> connection to known strong-selectors >>>>> **Anomalous events >>>>> ***Someone who is using encryption _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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