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Message-ID: <CAH8yC8kD4BEGC=6HasQ8KMng+XXo05gvVw6WpFmCtRAc+W+Brw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:26:47 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Julius Kivimäki <julius.kivimaki@...il.com>
Cc: Full Disclosure List <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [cryptography] Paypal phish using EV
	certificate

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Julius Kivimäki
<julius.kivimaki@...il.com> wrote:
> All of the domains involved just happen to be registered on markmonitor by
> PayPal. Really doubt this has anything to do with phishing.
According to http://www.linuxevolution.net/?p=12 (referenced in the
original email), Paypal stated the site "paypal-communication.com" was
a phishing site.

> 2013/8/13 Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
>>
>> It looks like Paypal has suffered a break-in and phishing attempts are
>> being made on its users.
>>
>> Time to sell you stock (or buy it short) for the immediate future.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
>> Date: Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [cryptography] Paypal phish using EV certificate
>> To: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@...auckland.ac.nz>
>> Cc: cryptography@...dombit.net
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Peter Gutmann
>> <pgut001@...auckland.ac.nz> wrote:
>> > I recently got a another of the standard phishing emails for Paypal,
>> > directing
>> > me to https://email-edg.paypal.com, which redirects to
>> > https://view.paypal-communication.com, which has a PayPal EV certificate
>> > from
>> > Verisign.  According to this post
>> > http://www.onelogin.com/a-paypal-phishing-attack/ it may or may not be a
>> > phishing attack (no-one's really sure), and this post
>> > http://www.linuxevolution.net/?p=12 says it is a phishing attack and the
>> > site
>> > will be shut down by Paypal... back in May 2011.
>> >
>> > Can anyone explain this?  It's either a really clever phish (or the CAs
>> > are
>> > following their historically lax levels of checking), or Paypal has
>> > joined the
>> > ranks of US banks in training their users to become phishing victims.
>> If that's true, I think the more interesting fact is: it appears
>> email-edg.paypal.com is controlled by the attacker. Why else would
>> Paypal redirect from a host in their domain to a host not in their
>> domain controlled by the adversary? (Its a bit different than standard
>> phishing training where both hosts/domains are controlled by Paypal).
>>
>> Has Paypal fess'ed up to any break-ins or  breaches?

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