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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:49:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Joel Esler <joel.esler@...com>
To: PuNkErX w <punk3rx@...mail.com>
Cc: Full Disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Mavericks...less then a bargin?

Obviously they expect you to surrender the info in the sake of simplicity and usefulness.  

They swear the can't read your stuff:

http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/

"They".
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Joel Esler

On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w <punk3rx@...mail.com> wrote:

I usually lurk the list but here's my take on it.  Using iCloud to sync everything is stupid if you care about privacy.  Unless you don't mind all your info (especially now that you can sync the keychain....) being out there.  

As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not surprised with the direction they went.  Thats why i got out of the Apple work when 10.7 dropped. 

I host an old macbook with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book services to sync stuff between 10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipad.  It works for what i need but obviously it isnt for everyone. 

Im looking at other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems every "cloud" service pretty much sells your info in one shape way or form.  

So you dont need to use icloud at all but it appears you will need a third party server to sync stuff.  Yet another step back asswards for the industry.  





On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43, silence_is_best@...hmail.com wrote:

The functionality of syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of luck....plug in your iDevice on the latest, then check it out...you can sync photos and music, but nothing else...it's a bad scene.

On Monday, October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" <joel.esler@...com> wrote:
What happens when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?

<sent from my iCloud account>
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Joel Esler

On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, silence_is_best@...hmail.com wrote:

A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to sync your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud (syncing from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone).  I suspect this is one of the reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade.  Apple probably figured the $40 they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have your calendar and your contacts within easy reach.  Per their policy:

What personal information we collect

When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commercial credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may collect a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information.
When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products, send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on Apple forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.

How we use your personal information

The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It also helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising. 


Nice not to have choices ;)
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