Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:11:01 -0400
From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com>
To: Joel Esler <joel.esler@...com>
Cc: Full Disclosure <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Mavericks...less then a bargin?

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Joel Esler <joel.esler@...com> wrote:
> Obviously they expect you to surrender the info in the sake of simplicity
> and usefulness.
>
> They swear the can't read your stuff:
> http://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/
:)

Their own legal department tells us they are not trustworthy. Who do
we believe: their legal department, or their press release?

Jeff


> On Oct 28, 2013, at 03:30 PM, PuNkErX w <punk3rx@...mail.com> wrote:
>
> I usually lurk the list but here's my take on it.  Using iCloud to sync
> everything is stupid if you care about privacy.  Unless you don't mind all
> your info (especially now that you can sync the keychain....) being out
> there.
>
> As an old Apple "fanboy" Im disgusted but not surprised with the direction
> they went.  Thats why i got out of the Apple work when 10.7 dropped.
>
> I host an old macbook with 10.6 server that has iCal and address book
> services to sync stuff between 10.9 laptop, 10.6 laptop, iphone and ipad.
> It works for what i need but obviously it isnt for everyone.
>
> Im looking at other alternatives for all in one type deals but it seems
> every "cloud" service pretty much sells your info in one shape way or form.
>
> So you dont need to use icloud at all but it appears you will need a third
> party server to sync stuff.  Yet another step back asswards for the
> industry.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:43, silence_is_best@...hmail.com wrote:
>
> The functionality of syncing contacts/calendar is MISSING in
> iTunes...gone...poof...Casper...out of luck....plug in your iDevice on the
> latest, then check it out...you can sync photos and music, but nothing
> else...it's a bad scene.
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2013 at 8:34 AM, "Joel Esler" <joel.esler@...com>
> wrote:
>
> What happens when you refuse to sign up for iCloud?
>
> <sent from my iCloud account>
>
> --
> Joel Esler
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 08:09 AM, silence_is_best@...hmail.com wrote:
>
> A warning (disclosure) to you Apple people....if you're planning to sync
> your shiny iDevice with Mavericks, you will be FORCED to use iCloud (syncing
> from your iDevice to your iPuter is now gone).  I suspect this is one of the
> reasons why Mavericks was a "free" upgrade.  Apple probably figured the $40
> they'd get from the sale of the OS is less then when they'd get with have
> your calendar and your contacts within easy reach.  Per their policy:
>
> What personal information we collect
>
> When you create an Apple ID, register your products, apply for commercial
> credit, purchase a product, download a software update, register for a class
> at an Apple Retail Store, or participate in an online survey, we may collect
> a variety of information, including your name, mailing address, phone
> number, email address, contact preferences, and credit card information.
>
> When you share your content with family and friends using Apple products,
> send gift certificates and products, or invite others to join you on Apple
> forums, Apple may collect the information you provide about those people
> such as name, mailing address, email address, and phone number.
>
>
> How we use your personal information
>
> The personal information we collect allows us to keep you posted on Apple’s
> latest product announcements, software updates, and upcoming events. It also
> helps us to improve our services, content, and advertising.
>
>
> Nice not to have choices ;)
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