full-disclosure - Re: Where are you guys standing re: the (full) disclosure

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Message-ID: <52AB4EDB.8050006@baribault.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:15:55 -0500
From: Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net>
To: Jordon Bedwell <envygeeks@...il.com>, noloader@...il.com
Cc: Full Disclosure List <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Where are you guys standing re: the (full)
 disclosure

Of course, all software companies would love for the disclosure to wait
for the fix to be released, and often, if the delay is considered
reasonable by the hacker in question who found the bug, then that's what
happens. I think it's only in the case where the company considers the
bug to be minor or non existent, and they are asking for a ridiculous
delay that many hackers will say, 'tough luck I'm disclosing on xx' and
he takes his chances that most of us agree with his decision. As Mikhail
said, if the hacker came across the bug without any illegal means then
he should be fine after the release (but IANAL).

Gary B

On 12/13/2013 01:00 PM, Jordon Bedwell wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jeffrey Walton <noloader@...il.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Gary Baribault <gary@...ibault.net> wrote:
>>> Rather harsh don't you think? I'm all for OSS but I have expenses and
>>> need to make money. Yes M$ makes money, but I think their ethical just
>>> as much as any other company .. is IBM ethical? Is HP ethical? Is Dell
>>> (the company) ethical? They all are to some degree.
>> Try Apple. They withhold security updates until the press release for
>> their latest iOS version. See, for example, the hundred of fixes in
>> https://lists.apple.com/archives/security-announce/2012/Sep/msg00003.html.
>>
>> At least Microsoft patches on a regular basis.
> You seem to be under the delusion that Microsoft and even Open Source
> projects don't also hold off on announcements until fix release, which
> is the case, most of the time.
>

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