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Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:04:21 -0800 From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@...cle.com> To: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@...el.com> Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@...el.com>, Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, Alexander Viro <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>, Dave Chinner <david@...morbit.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>, "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@....edu>, linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@...r.kernel.org>, linux-xfs <linux-xfs@...r.kernel.org>, linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 01/12] fs/stat: Define DAX statx attribute On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 09:55:02AM -0800, Ira Weiny wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 09:39:35PM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 02:38:21PM -0800, Ira Weiny wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:10:50PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@...el.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 09:38:34AM -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri 10-01-20 11:29:31, ira.weiny@...el.com wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@...el.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Sure, but for now I think referencing mmap for details on MAP_SYNC works. > > > > > > I suspect that we may have some word smithing once I get this series in and we > > > submit a change to the statx man page itself. Can I move forward with the > > > following for this patch? > > > > > > <quote> > > > STATX_ATTR_DAX > > > > > > The file is in the DAX (cpu direct access) state. DAX state > > > > Hmm, now that I see it written out, I <cough> kind of like "DAX mode" > > better now. :/ > > > > "The file is in DAX (CPU direct access) mode. DAX mode attempts..." > > Sure... now you tell me... ;-) > > Seriously, we could use mode here in the man page as this is less confusing to > say "DAX mode". > > But I think the code should still use 'state' because mode is just too > overloaded. You were not the only one who was thrown by my use of mode and I > don't want that confusion when we look at this code 2 weeks from now... > > https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/852og2/only_god_knows/ > > ;-) Ok, let's leave it alone for now then. I'm not even sure what 'DAX' stands for. Direct Access to ... Professor Xavier? 8-) > > > > > attempts to minimize software cache effects for both I/O and > > > memory mappings of this file. It requires a file system which > > > has been configured to support DAX. > > > > > > DAX generally assumes all accesses are via cpu load / store > > > instructions which can minimize overhead for small accesses, but > > > may adversely affect cpu utilization for large transfers. > > > > > > File I/O is done directly to/from user-space buffers and memory > > > mapped I/O may be performed with direct memory mappings that > > > bypass kernel page cache. > > > > > > While the DAX property tends to result in data being transferred > > > synchronously, it does not give the same guarantees of > > > synchronous I/O where data and the necessary metadata are > > > transferred together. > > > > (I'm frankly not sure that synchronous I/O actually guarantees that the > > metadata has hit stable storage...) > > I'll let you and Dan work this one out... ;-) Hehe. I think the wording here is fine. --D > Ira >
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