linux-hardening - Re: [RFCv1 0/6] Page Detective

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 20:29:55 -0500
From: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@...een.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFCv1 0/6] Page Detective

> Can you point me to where a refcounted reference to the page comes
> from when page_detective_metadata() calls dump_page_lvl()?

I am sorry, I remembered incorrectly, we are getting reference right
after dump_page_lvl() in page_detective_memcg() -> folio_try_get(); I
will move the folio_try_get() to before dump_page_lvl().

> > > So I think dump_page() in its current form is not something we should
> > > expose to a userspace-reachable API.
> >
> > We use dump_page() all over WARN_ONs in MM code where pages might not
> > be locked, but this is a good point, that while even the existing
> > usage might be racy, providing a user-reachable API potentially makes
> > it worse. I will see if I could add some locking before dump_page(),
> > or make a dump_page variant that does not do dump_mapping().
>
> To be clear, I am not that strongly opposed to racily reading data
> such that the data may not be internally consistent or such; but this
> is a case of racy use-after-free reads that might end up dumping
> entirely unrelated memory contents into dmesg. I think we should
> properly protect against that in an API that userspace can invoke.
> Otherwise, if we race, we might end up writing random memory contents
> into dmesg; and if we are particularly unlucky, those random memory
> contents could be PII or authentication tokens or such.
>
> I'm not entirely sure what the right approach is here; I guess it
> makes sense that when the kernel internally detects corruption,
> dump_page doesn't take references on pages it accesses to avoid
> corrupting things further. If you are looking at a page based on a
> userspace request, I guess you could access the page with the
> necessary locking to access its properties under the normal locking
> rules?

I will take reference, as we already do that for memcg purpose, but
have not included dump_page().

Thank you,
Pasha