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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 13:52:00 +0100
From: Jann Horn <jannh@...gle.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFCv1 0/6] Page Detective

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 2:30 AM Pasha Tatashin
<pasha.tatashin@...een.com> wrote:
> > Can you point me to where a refcounted reference to the page comes
> > from when page_detective_metadata() calls dump_page_lvl()?
>
> I am sorry, I remembered incorrectly, we are getting reference right
> after dump_page_lvl() in page_detective_memcg() -> folio_try_get(); I
> will move the folio_try_get() to before dump_page_lvl().
>
> > > > So I think dump_page() in its current form is not something we should
> > > > expose to a userspace-reachable API.
> > >
> > > We use dump_page() all over WARN_ONs in MM code where pages might not
> > > be locked, but this is a good point, that while even the existing
> > > usage might be racy, providing a user-reachable API potentially makes
> > > it worse. I will see if I could add some locking before dump_page(),
> > > or make a dump_page variant that does not do dump_mapping().
> >
> > To be clear, I am not that strongly opposed to racily reading data
> > such that the data may not be internally consistent or such; but this
> > is a case of racy use-after-free reads that might end up dumping
> > entirely unrelated memory contents into dmesg. I think we should
> > properly protect against that in an API that userspace can invoke.
> > Otherwise, if we race, we might end up writing random memory contents
> > into dmesg; and if we are particularly unlucky, those random memory
> > contents could be PII or authentication tokens or such.
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure what the right approach is here; I guess it
> > makes sense that when the kernel internally detects corruption,
> > dump_page doesn't take references on pages it accesses to avoid
> > corrupting things further. If you are looking at a page based on a
> > userspace request, I guess you could access the page with the
> > necessary locking to access its properties under the normal locking
> > rules?
>
> I will take reference, as we already do that for memcg purpose, but
> have not included dump_page().

Note that taking a reference on the page does not make all of
dump_page() fine; in particular, my understanding is that
folio_mapping() requires that the page is locked in order to return a
stable pointer, and some of the code in dump_mapping() would probably
also require some other locks - probably at least on the inode and
maybe also on the dentry, I think? Otherwise the inode's dentry list
can probably change concurrently, and the dentry's name pointer can
change too.

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