linux-kernel - Re: what is necessary for directory hard links

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Message-ID: <bda6d13a0607240921x78049eefraae775e4c6c0ba5c@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:21:04 -0700
From:	"Joshua Hudson" <joshudson@...il.com>
To:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: what is necessary for directory hard links

On 7/24/06, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:45:45 +0400, Nikita Danilov said:
> > Joshua Hudson writes:
>
> >  > In my filesystem, any attempt to create a loop of hard links
> >  > is detected and cancelled.
> >
> > Can you elaborate a bit on this exciting mechanism? Obviously an ability
> > to efficiently detect loops would be a break-through in a
> > reference-counted garbage collection, somehow missed for last 40
>
> It's actually pretty trivial to do if it's a toy filesystem and all the
> relevant inodes are in-memory already.  The hard-to-solve part is getting
> around the (apparent) need to walk across essentially the entire tree
> structure making sure that you aren't creating a loop.  This can get
> rather performance piggy - even /home on my laptop has some 400K
> inodes on it, and a 'find /home -type d' takes 28 seconds.  That's a *long*
> time to lock and freeze a filesystem.

Actually, I walk from the source inode down to try to find the
target inode. If not found, this is not attempting to create a loop.
Should be obvious that the average case is much less than the
whole tree.

>
> Where it gets *really* messy is that it isn't just mkdir that's the problem -
> once you let there be more than one path from the fs root to a given directory,
> it gets *really* hard to make sure that any given 'mv' command isn't going to
> to screw things up (is 'mv a/b/c/d ../../w/z/b' safe? How do you know, without
> examining a *lot* of stuff under a/ and ../../w/?

mv /a/b/c/d ../../w/z/b is implemented as this in the filesystem:
ln /a/b/c/d ../../w/z/b && rm /a/b/c/d

So what it's going to do is try to find z under /a/b/c/d.

Oh, and Nakita's right about the NFS server stuff. Actually, I think
the current filesystem I use for this is totally incompatible with
NFS (cannot call d_splice_alias on directory dnodes) so that
doesn't concern me.
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