linux-kernel - tracing - consensus building insteat of dogfights

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Message-ID: <20060919125801.GA12815@infradead.org>
Date:	Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:58:01 +0100
From:	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>
To:	Roman Zippel <zippel@...ux-m68k.org>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Nicholas Miell <nmiell@...cast.net>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@...ux-sh.org>,
	Karim Yaghmour <karim@...rsys.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, Jes Sorensen <jes@....com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@...ibm.com>,
	Richard J Moore <richardj_moore@...ibm.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...hat.com>,
	Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@...ymtl.ca>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@...e.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	William Cohen <wcohen@...hat.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@...igh.org>
Subject: tracing - consensus building insteat of dogfights

I've been half-way through reading this thread after returning, and I must
say I'm rather annoyed that 80% of it is just Roman vs Ingo and Karim vs
Jes dogfights that run in circles.  Let's try to find some majority optinion
and plans to move forward:

  *) so far everyone but Roman seems to agree we want to support dynamic
     tracing as an integral part of the tracing framework
  *) most people seem to agree that we want some form of in-source annotation
     instead of just external probes

so let's build on this rough consensus and decide on the next steps before
fighting the hard battels.  I think those important steps are:

  1) review and improve the lttng core tracing engine (without static traces
     so far) and get it into mergeable shape.  Make sure it works nicely
     from *probe dynamic tracing handlers.
  2) find a nice syntax for in-source tracing annotations, and implement a
     backend for it using lttng and *probes.

We can fight the hard fight whether we want real static tracing and how
many annotations of what form were after we have those important building
blocks.
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