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Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:05:15 +1000 From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@...uxmail.org> To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@...sta.de> Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, Stefan Seyfried <seife@...e.de>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org Subject: Re: When will the lunacy end? (Was Re: [PATCH] uswsusp: add pmops->{prepare,enter,finish} support (aka "platform mode")) Hi. On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 00:31 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 07:38:31AM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 22:35 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 26 September 2006 22:14, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2006 at 12:45:00AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > > >... > > > > > solid) > > > > > apart from HIGHMEM64G fiasco, and related agpgart fiasco long > > > > > time before that... these are driver problems... > > > > >... > > > > > > > > One point that seems to be a bit forgotten is that driver problems do > > > > actually matter a lot: > > > > > > > > I for one do not care much whether I can abort suspending (I can always > > > > resume) or whether dancing penguins are displayed during suspending - > > > > but the fact that my saa7134 card only outputs the picture but no sound > > > > after resuming from suspend-to-disk is a real show-stopper for me. > > > > Agreed that some things are more important than others. But to some > > people, user interface does matter. After all, we want (well I want) > > people considering converting from Windows to see that free software can > > be better than proprietary stuff, not just imitate what they're doing. > > > > Suspend2 doesn't actually provide dancing penguins while suspending - > > it's a simple progress bar in either pure text or overlayed on an image > > of your choosing. > > > > The support for aborting is really just fall out from the work on > > debugging and testing failure paths. > >... > > Sorry if this sounded as if I was against improvements of suspend. > That was not my intention. > > But as long as there are driver problems, suspend as a whole can not be > called solid. The core itself might be solid or not, but without working > drivers this doesn't buy users much. > > A user might be impressed by a progress bar on a nifty image, but if one > or more of his drivers have problems with suspend the user won't get a > good impression of Linux. > > How many driver problems with suspend are buried in emails and > Bugzillas (will problems like kernel Bugzilla #6035 ever be debugged?)? I fully agree. One of the largest issues I'm regularly dealing with is people reporting problems with drivers. Regards, Nigel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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