Message-Id: <1159468275.2669.88.camel@galaxy.corp.google.com>
Date:	Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:31:15 -0700
From:	Rohit Seth <rohitseth@...gle.com>
To:	balbir@...ibm.com
Cc:	sekharan@...ibm.com, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	devel@...nvz.org, CKRM-Tech <ckrm-tech@...ts.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [patch00/05]: Containers(V2)- Introduction

On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 13:31 +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
> Chandra Seetharaman wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 14:28 -0700, Rohit Seth wrote:
> > 
> > Rohit,
> > 
> > For 1-4, I understand the rationale. But, your implementation deviates
> > from the current behavior of the VM subsystem which could affect the
> > ability of these patches getting into mainline.
> > 
> > IMO, the current behavior in terms of reclamation, LRU, vm_swappiness,
> > and writeback logic should be maintained.
> > 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Hi, Rohit,
> 
> I have been playing around with the containers patch. I finally got
> around to reading the code.
> 
> 
> 1. Comments on reclaiming
> 
> You could try the following options to overcome some of the disadvantages of the
> current scheme.
> 
> (a) You could consider a reclaim path based on Dave Hansen's Challenged memory
> controller (see http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-mm&m=115566982532345&w=2).
> 

I will go through that.  Did you get a chance to stress the system and
found any short comings that should be resolved.

> (b) The other option is to do what the resource group memory controller does -
> build a per group LRU list of pages (active, inactive) and reclaim
> them using the existing code (by passing the correct container pointer,
> instead of the zone pointer). One disadvantage of this approach is that
> the global reclaim is impacted as the global LRU list is broken. At the
> expense of another list, we could maintain two lists, global LRU and
> container LRU lists. Depending on the context of the reclaim - (container
> over limit, memory pressure) we could update/manipulate both lists.
> This approach is definitely very expensive.
> 

Two LRUs is a nice idea.  Though I don't think it will go too far.  It
will involve adding another list pointers in the page structure.  I
agree that the mem handler is not optimal at all but I don't want to
make it mimic kernel reclaimer at the same time.

> 2. Comments on task migration support
> 
> (a) One of the issues I found while using the container code is that, one could
> add a task to a container say "a". "a" gets charged for the tasks usage,
> when the same task moves to a different container say "b", when the task
> exits, the credit goes to "b" and "a" remains indefinitely charged.
> 
hmm, when the task is removed from "a" then "a" gets the credits for the
amount of anon memory that is used by the task.  Or do you mean
something different.

> (b) For tasks addition and removal, I think it's probably better to move
> the entire process (thread group) rather than allow each individual thread
> to move across containers. Having threads belonging to the same process
> reside in different containers can be complex to handle, since they
> share the same VM. Do you have a scenario where the above condition
> would be useful?
> 
> 
I don't have a scenario where a task actually gets to move out of
container (except exit).  That asynchronous removal of tasks has already
got the code very complicated for locking etc.  But if you think moving
a thread group is useful then I will add that functionality.

Thanks,
-rohit

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