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Date:	Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:18:07 +0100 (CET)
From:	Mikulas Patocka <>
To:	Alan Cox <>
Cc:	Albert Cahalan <>,,
Subject: Re: New filesystem for Linux

>>> And possibly some broken drives may also return you something that
>>> they think is good data but really is not (shouldn't happen since
>>> both disks and cables should be protected by checksums, but hey...
>>> you can never be absolutely sure especially on very big storages).
> It happens because
> -	There is limited if any protection on the PCI bus generally
> -	Many PC systems don't have ECC memory, ECC cache
> -	PATA does not CRC protect the command block so if you do enough PATA
> I/O (eg you are a US national lab ..) you *will* eventually get a bit
> flip that gives you the wrong sector with no error data. SATA fixes that
> one.
> -	Murphy is out to get you..

Should IDE driver read back parameters after writing them before issuing 
the command? That should fix this problem. (except when command is written 

> Not seen that, although they do move stuff aorund in their internal
> block management of bad blocks. I've also seen hardware errors that lead
> to data being messed up silently.

I have seen one WD drive bought in 2003 having error in its firmware in 
cache-coherency code --- if you read and write 256 sectors to the same 
places with some pattern repeatedly (with direct IO), it will discard a 
write. It happens only with 256-sector writes, maybe some part of firmware 
treats 256 as 0. Maybe I create testcase sometimes.


> Alan
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