linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH resend][CRYPTO]: RSA algorithm patch

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Message-ID: <20070403160307.GA5266@ucw.cz>
Date:	Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:03:07 +0000
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>
To:	Tasos Parisinos <t.parisinos@...ensis.com>
Cc:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>, herbert@...dor.apana.org.au,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, randy.dunlap@...cle.com, indan@....nu
Subject: Re: [PATCH resend][CRYPTO]: RSA algorithm patch

Hi!

> >>The best environment to deploy such functionality is 
> >>in updating by remote,
> >>executable code (programs, libs and modules) on 
> >>embedded devices running
> >>Linux, that have some form of kernel physical 
> >>security, so one can't 
> >
> >How would that physical security look like? Would it 
> >include DMA
> >protection?
> >
> >For example to do any useful form of graphics you need
> >user controllable DMA, which can normally touch 
> >everything.
> >There are various other similar "backdoors" for root.
> >
> >I'm somewhat sceptical because all kernels will need 
> >access
> >to the direct mapping to operate and there are also 
> >various
> >interfaces that can be as root (ab)used to change it.
> >
> >And when you can do that they can change function 
> >pointers
> >and jump to arbitary code or change the kernel page 
> >tables
> >and map arbitary code.
> >
> >Disallowing all this would probably end up with a quite
> >useless kernel. 
> >
> >  
> >>There are already some systems that implement and 
> >>utilize such functionality that
> >>use windows platforms, and other Linux distros that 
> >>use userland 
> >
> >Yes, at least the Vista variant was just broken. And 
> >its designers spent
> >a lot of effort on it, but it didn't help.
> >  
> Please read the thread i gave you for some details for 
> things you ask
> 
> Have in thought that we mostly talk here about embedded 
> devices
> that run Linux in a very restricted environment where 
> only specific
> applications are allowed to exist and run, there are no 
> user logons
> and these applications need to be updated by remote once 
> in a while
> over public networks. These applications need not be 
> tampered with

What kind of applications are we talking about here? I'd like to hack
hardware I own.

							Pavel
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