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Date:	Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:54:18 -0400
From:	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>
To:	david@...g.hm
Cc:	Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@...hat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@....linux.org.uk>,
	Bernd Schmidt <bernds_cb1@...nline.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>,
	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>,
	Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@...one.net.tr>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

On Tuesday 19 June 2007 19:49:24 david@...g.hm wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 2007, david@...g.hm wrote:
> >> remember, not all tivo models are locked down,
> >
> > Only the earliest that you can't find for sale any more, right?
> >
> >> as a result of watching the hacker groups I can safely say that the
> >> lockdown has not blocked many users. it has slowed modification of the
> >> hacks to new types of hardware, but not for very long.
> >
> > Well, then...  What's the point *for* tivoization, again?  To slow
> > down the contributions?  And that's good because...?
>
> no, the point is that while tivoization is not nessasarily the best thing
> it's far better then the company useing propriatary code.
>
> delayed contributions are better then no contributions.
>
> David Lang

This logic has been proven already. Apple used KHTML and KJS as the backend 
systems for Safari. While Safari was in development they held onto all their 
changes and modifications. When they released Safari, they contributed it all 
back, making both things better. Fact: KHTML and KJS are also the core of 
Apples "WebKit" and "WebCore" technologies - both KHTML and KJS are Open 
Source projects, making up a part of KDE.

DRH

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