linux-kernel - Re: Hibernation considerations

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707171423280.2467@asgard.lang.hm>
Date:	Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
From:	david@...g.hm
To:	Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@....edu>
cc:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@...el.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@....com>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@...el.suspend2.net>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	pm list <linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Boldi <a1426z@...ab.com>
Subject: Re: Hibernation considerations

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:

> david@...g.hm writes:
>
> [snip]
>
>>> How do you guarantee that no tasks are scheduled when you get back to the
>>> hibernated kernel?
>
>> just don't schedule any userspace tasks. all you need to do is to execute the
>> ACPI sleep functions. you normally do that after stopping userspace
>> anyway.
>
> What does "stopping userspace" mean?  You already said it does not mean
> disabling interrupts.  But using the freezer is also not an option,
> since the avoidance of that is the main reason for the kexec approach in
> the first place.

just don't schedule any non-kernel threads.

remember that the normal shutdown/suspend procedure is (from another 
related thread)

> >>sys_reboot(LINUX_REBOOT_CMD_KEXEC)
> >>     kernel_kexec
> >>         kernel_restart_prepare
> >>             device_shutdown
> >>         machine_shutdown
> >>         machine_kexec

I'm just saying that instead of going back to the normal operation of the 
kernel you just go directly to the new shutdown routine instead.

> [snip]
>
>>> Well, not exactly.  If your battery runs out of power while you're suspended,
>>> but you have the image saved, it's still better to restore from the image,
>> even
>>> if something may not work correctly after the restore, than to risk a loss of
>>> data.
>
>> if things don't work correctly you are still risking the loss of data, the user
>> just doesn't know it.
>
> It should be possible on any system to do a hibernate followed by a
> shutdown (and then resume properly, without any problems).  Thus, for
> handling suspend to both, you resume as if the system had been shutdown,
> rather than resuming as if the system came from S4.

I agree with this, but according to Rafael if the "hibernated" image is 
assuming that the devices were put into low-power mode by ACPI and you 
boot up instead the system doesn't work right.

David Lang
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