Message-ID: <20070802193106.GC15216@ittc.ku.edu>
Date:	Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:31:06 -0500
From:	Noah Watkins <nwatkins@...c.ku.edu>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
Cc:	Jens Axboe <axboe@...nel.dk>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	"systemtap@...rceware.org" <systemtap@...rceware.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/1] extending low-level markers

> Hrm, what is wrong with :
> 
> trace_mark(ds_myevent, "%d %zu %p", arg1, arg2, arg3);
> 
> then ?
> 
> You could then attach your probe to all markers staring with a ds_
> prefix. (we should keep a list of the used prefixes somewhere) You could
> match with format strings to figure out which callback should be
> connected to which marker (if you don't plan to have your callback
> parsing the format string dynamically).

This has been what I considered the only way to accomplish the 'type'
feature without adding another field to the struct, and is just fine,
especially if prefixes are listed some where, or not. I was just
interested in the possibility of adding types.

> 
> 
> > The biggest problem we are facing now is with a set of points which
> > cooperate together in the sense that one references the others (or some
> > other connection topology). For example:
> > 
> > ds_point_start(NAME, params)
> > ds_point_end(NAME, params)
> > 
> > In this situation ds_point_start collects some data, stashes it in its
> > private data area,  and ds_point_end references the corresponding
> > ds_point_start when it fires. The two points are wired up by our
> > framework (using the marker's private data) and the NAME, in order to
> > avoid lookups at logging time.
> > 
> 
> I wonder how you do your locking there ? I guess you are writing data
> that *should* reside on the stack into the private data, which is
> somewhat static. A solution to this that would be both not too intrusive
> for kernel code and fast enough would be to keep a buffer of such
> saved/read data, indexed with a cookie that would be passed from _start
> to _end. The only issue is that this cookie would have to be placed on
> the kernel stack, its space being reserved even when markers are
> disabled.
> 

The locking is internal to our framework and done on a per-type basis.
The start/end example i mentioned could represent an interval. When the
two points are wired up they both have their private data pointing at a
kmalloc'd interval structure internal to our framework, which contains
a lock.

> 
> > So, in this case the names are the same which logically links them, but
> > their functionality is different. The difference in functionality could
> > again be encoded by the 'type' of point.
> > 
> 
> if you differentiate them with names like:
> ds_point_start and ds_point_end
> 
> and pass the cookie as write parameter to _start and read parameter to
> _end:
> 
> void somefct()
> {
>   long cookie;
> 
>   trace_mark(ds_point_start, "%p %d %zu %p", &cookie, arg1, arg2, arg3);
> 
>   ...
> 
>   trace_mark(ds_point_end, "%lu %d %zu %p", cookie, arg1, arg2, arg3);
> }
> It should do the job ?
> (note: if mutual exclusion access to a static variable is insured by
> proper locking in the kernel, then you don't need to do such trick)

The cookie approach would accomplish the functionality, though it does
complicate the procedure of adding the instrumenation point. If the
start and the end events are not in the same function/file then
the linking of the cookie could be too instrusive.

In all of our cases the cookie would certainly be a void* pointing to
internal data structures. What is the objection to using the marker's
private data to point to the internal structures?

Thanks for helping out. I realize the situations I'm describing are
quite specialized to our particular situation. Many students here use
the framework for learning systems programming, and as such it evolves
often.

- Noah

> 
> > > The current approach is to use the marker name as a way to specify
> > > markers "group". If we go with a "flavor" enumeration instead, we would
> > > have to add an enumeration of every markers users in marker.h, which I
> > > am a bit reluctant to do.
> > 
> > This would have to be my biggest complaint with the 'flavor' concept as
> > well. However, if all points in main-line always used no concept of
> > flavor (or essentially the default flavor) then users wishing to use the
> > flavor enumeration out of main-line development could do so?
> > 
> 
> Hrm, the ideal thing would be to agree on an instrumentation set for a
> given subsystem/driver and to get the said instrumentation integrated in
> mainline. That would sound like a better way to stop reinventing the
> wheel forever. And actually, if there are some features in your tracer
> that you would like to add into a mainline tracer, I'll be glad to
> discuss those with you. A lot of people out there are facing the same
> issues as you are anyway :)
> 
> Ideally, a marker should express what the kernel code is doing and what
> information we want to extract from it more than being tied to one
> particular consumer (probe).
> 
> > Hope this helps portray more of what we are trying to do.
> > 
> 
> It sure helps, thanks :)
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> > Noah
> 
> -- 
> Mathieu Desnoyers
> Computer Engineering Ph.D. Student, Ecole Polytechnique de Montreal
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