linux-kernel - Re: Intel Memory Ordering White Paper

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Message-Id: <200709080557.36021.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:57:35 +1000
From:	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>
To:	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>
Cc:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@...el.com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Intel Memory Ordering White Paper

On Saturday 08 September 2007 18:53, Andi Kleen wrote:
> On Friday 07 September 2007 20:13:12 Nick Piggin wrote:
> > On Sunday 09 September 2007 03:48, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > > There is some suggestion in the source code that non-temporal stores
> > > (movntq) are weakly ordered. But AFAIKS from the documents, it is
> > > ordered when operating on wb memory. What's the situation there?
> >
> > Sorry, it looks from the AMD document like nontemporal stores to wb
> > memory can go out of order.
>
> Yes, that is how NT stores are defined.
>
> > If this is the case, we can either retain the sfence in smp_wmb(), or
> > noop it, and put explicit sfences around any place that performs
> > nontemporal stores...
>
> We do this already, but in most cases it doesn't matter anyways. We AFAIK
> do not rely on any ordering for copy_*_user for example. There are not
> that many users of nt so it's not a huge issue.

OK, but we just don't want to be making lots of little exceptions. For
bulk copies, I don't see it being a big issue to always sfence around
them (it would be a relatively minor cost).


> > Anyway, the lfence should be able to go away without so much trouble.
>
> You mean sfence? lfence in rmb is definitely needed.

I mean lfence in smp_rmb().


> sfence on x86-64 is not strictly needed, but also shouldn't hurt very much
> so I always kept it in.
>
> -Andi
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