linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] Version 3 (2.6.23-rc8) Smack: Simplified Mandatory Access Control Kernel

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Message-ID: <m1tzp1z5en.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
Date:	Mon, 08 Oct 2007 15:02:24 -0600
From:	ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To:	casey@...aufler-ca.com
Cc:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@...lyn.com>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@....com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@....com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@...ho.nsa.gov>,
	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Version 3 (2.6.23-rc8) Smack: Simplified Mandatory Access Control Kernel

Casey Schaufler <casey@...aufler-ca.com> writes:

> --- "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@...ssion.com> wrote:
>
>
>> My very practical question:  How do I run selinux in one container,
>> and SMACK in another?
>
> How would you run PREEMPT_RT in one container, and PREEMPT_DESKTOP
> in another?

Well the style of kernel preemption is generally an implementation
detail that is not visible to user space.

> How would you run SMP in one and UP in the other?
Bind all of the UP processes to a single cpu.

> One aspect that SELinux and Smack share is that they only really
> provide security if all processes involved are under their control,
> just like the preemption behavior.

Right.  But in a container that look like a full system arguably this
is doable.  There are a few additional details that would be needed
to ensure containers are isolated from each other that would be
needed to ensure this is effective but those are fairly minor.

> This is not necessarily true of all possible LSMs. In that case it may
> be practicle to have different behavior for different containers.

When we get to the point where this is a real concern I believe the
isolation will be sufficient that this it is a valid question to
ask.

If there is nothing visible to user space I don't care.  But security
modules are fundamentally about changing when -EPERM happens so are
very visible to user space.

Eric
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