linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] x86: make clflush a required feature on x86

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Date:	Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:56:43 -0500
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Andi Kleen <andi@...stfloor.org>
CC:	Kyle McMartin <kyle@...artin.ca>, tglx@...utronix.de,
	mingo@...hat.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: make clflush a required feature on x86_64

Andi Kleen wrote:
>> Simulators can be fixed, 
> 
> They could, but why? I don't know of a good reason to require CLFLUSH.

Well, simulators are generally expected to follow the architecture, not 
vice versa.  I would tend to agree with the coupling that recent 
versions of Bochs appeared to have made here -- I think we're unlikely 
to see any processors with sse2 sans clflush, so keeping code branches 
in which will never be executed seems like a bad idea in the long term. 
  I'm much more worried about the possibility of embedded 64-bit CPUs 
who try to skimp on SSE2 than CLFLUSH.

Now, that being said, this being encapsulated in the required set (and 
unified, which means the branches will be executed on 32-bit hardware) 
it seems the impact of leaving them in is small for now.  We can 
re-evaluate that as appropriate.  Either way, we should *not* have 
#ifdef CONFIG_X86_64 around usage sites, circumventing the master 
switch.  It either goes in the required masks or it doesn't.

>> I just verified that Bochs 2.3.0 lacks this CPUID bit whereas the 
>> current version, 2.3.6, enables CLFLUSH iff SSE2 is enabled.  Qemu 0.9.0 
>> has CLFLUSH.  Andi, do you happen to know of any specific simulators 
>> which are problematic?  I would assume any recent version of SimNow is 
>> up to date.
> 
> I don't know of any specific ones that lack CLFLUSH, although Bochs
> definitely had similar problems in the past.

OK, so we're talking about outdated versions of Bochs, then?

	-hpa

--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/