linux-kernel - Re: [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incremental fsck)

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Message-ID: <4790C0EE.10207@zytor.com>
Date:	Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:08:30 -0500
From:	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>
To:	Bryan Henderson <hbryan@...ibm.com>
CC:	Ric Wheeler <ric@....com>, Al Boldi <a1426z@...ab.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	David Chinner <dgc@....com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Daniel Phillips <phillips@...gle.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Valerie Henson <val.henson@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch] document ext3 requirements (was Re: [RFD] Incremental
 fsck)

Bryan Henderson wrote:
> 
> We weren't actually talking about writing out the cache.  While that was 
> part of an earlier thread which ultimately conceded that disk drives most 
> probably do not use the spinning disk energy to write out the cache, the 
> claim was then made that the drive at least survives long enough to finish 
> writing the sector it was writing, thereby maintaining the integrity of 
> the data at the drive level.  People often say that a disk drive 
> guarantees atomic writes at the sector level even in the face of a power 
> failure.
> 
> But I heard some years ago from a disk drive engineer that that is a myth 
> just like the rotational energy thing.  I added that to the discussion, 
> but admitted that I haven't actually seen a disk drive write a partial 
> sector.
> 

Did he work for Maxtor, by any chance?  :-/

A disk drive whose power is cut needs to have enough residual power to 
park its heads (or *massive* data loss will occur), and at that point it 
might as well keep enough on hand to finish an in-progress sector write.

There are two possible sources of onboard temporary power: a large 
enough capacitor, or the rotational energy of the platters (an 
electrical motor also being a generator.)  I don't care which one they 
use, but they need to do something.

	-hpa

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