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Message-ID: <20080416140009.GA13968@Krystal>
Date:	Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:00:09 -0400
From:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
To:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	prasad@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	tglx@...utronix.de, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] Marker probes in futex.c

* Arjan van de Ven (arjan@...radead.org) wrote:
> 
> > >     4631:       b0 00                   mov    $0x0,%al
> > >     4633:       84 c0                   test   %al,%al
> > >     4635:       0f 85 c6 00 00 00       jne    4701
> 
> the use of partial registers here is unfortunate and probably quite expensive ;(
> 
> 

Yes, but it saves instruction cache. That's a tradeoff.

> > > If we want to support NMI context and have the ability to
> > > instrument preemptable code without too much headache, we must
> > > insure that every modification will leave the code in a "correct"
> > > state and that we do not grow the size of any reachable
> > > instruction.  Also, we must insure gcc did not put code between
> > > these instructions. Modifying non-relocatable instructions would
> > > also be a pain, since we would have to deal with instruction
> > > pointer relocation in the breakpoint code when the code
> > > modification is being done.
> 
> you also need to make sure no cpu is executing that code ever.. 
> but you already deal with that right?
> 

By "insure that every modification will leave the code in a "correct"
state", I mean that at any given time before, during or after the code
modification, if an NMI comes on any CPU and try to run the modified
code, it should have a valid version of the code to execute. Does it
make more sense ?

> > > 
> > > Luckily, gcc almost never place any code between the mov, test and
> > > jne instructions. But since we cannot we sure, we could dynamically
> > > check for this code pattern after the mov instruction. If we find
> > > it, then we play with it as if it was a single asm block, but if we
> > > don't find what we expect, then we use standard immediate values
> > > for that. I expect the heavily optimised version will be usable
> > > almost all the time.
> 
> I expect gcc to start using the macro-fusion capable ones more and more over time at least,
> and for that the compare and jmp need to be consecutive.
> 

Early reasults of the work I've done last night : I can detect about 96%
of the ~120 markers I've put in my instrumented kernel.

Not only does the compare and jmp need to be consecutive, but the movb
$0x0,%al also does. I *could* try to detect specific code inserted in
between, but I really have to make sure I don't get burned by the
compiler inserting a jmp there.

I'll post my work shortly.

Mathieu

> 
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