linux-kernel - Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

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Message-Id: <200804302347.13688.rjw@sisk.pl>
Date:	Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:47:12 +0200
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, jirislaby@...il.com
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

On Wednesday, 30 of April 2008, David Miller wrote:
> From: Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:54:05 -0700
> 
> > linux-next does little to address our two largest (IMO) problems:
> > inadequate review and inadequate response to bug and regression reports. 
> > But those problems are harder to fix..
> 
> This is all about positive and negative reinforcement.
> 
> The people who sit and git bisect their lives away to get the
> regressions fixed need more positive reinforcement.  And the people
> who stick these regressions into the tree need more negative
> reinforcement.
> 
> The current way of dealing with folks who stick broken crud into the
> tree results in zero change in behvaior.
> 
> People who insert the bum changes into the tree only really have one
> core thing that they are sensitive to, their reputation.  That's why
> there is an enormous reluctance to even suggest reverts, it looks bad
> for them and it also makes more work for them in the end.
> 
> I guess what these folks are truly afraid of is that someone will
> start tracking reverts and post their results in some presentation
> at some big conference.  I say that would be a good thing.  To
> be honest, hitting the revert button more aggressively and putting
> the fear of being the "revert king" into everyone's minds might
> really help with this problem.

Well, probably ...

> Currently there is no sufficient negative pushback on people who
> insert broken crud into the tree.  So it should be no surprise that it
> continues.

... but that should also point at the trees through which the bugs are
introduced.

I mean, the maintainers should be more careful for what they take to their
trees and push upstream.  If that happens, they'll (hopefully) put some more
pressure on patch submitters.
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