linux-kernel - Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue

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Message-Id: <200806041200.11678.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Date:	Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:00:10 +1000
From:	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>
To:	Trent Piepho <tpiepho@...escale.com>
Cc:	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@....cx>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Russell King <rmk+lkml@....linux.org.uk>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, linux-arch@...r.kernel.org,
	scottwood@...escale.com, linuxppc-dev@...abs.org,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: MMIO and gcc re-ordering issue

On Wednesday 04 June 2008 07:58, Trent Piepho wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:57:56PM -0700, Trent Piepho wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 11:47:00AM -0700, Trent Piepho wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >>>>>> Linus: on x86, memory operations to wc and wc+ memory are not
> >>>>>> ordered with one another, or operations to other memory types (ie.
> >>>>>> load/load and store/store reordering is allowed). Also, as you know,
> >>>>>> store/load reordering is explicitly allowed as well, which covers
> >>>>>> all memory types. So perhaps it is not quite true to say
> >>>>>> readl/writel is strongly ordered by default even on x86. You would
> >>>>>> have to put in some mfence instructions in them to make it so.
> >>>>
> >>>> So on x86, these could be re-ordered?
> >>>>
> >>>> writel(START_OPERATION, CONTROL_REGISTER);
> >>>> status = readl(STATUS_REGISTER);
> >>>
> >>> You wouldn't ask for write-combining memory mapping for control or
> >>> status registers.
> >>
> >> But Nick said, "store/load reordering is explicitly allowed as well,
> >> which covers *all* memory types."
> >
> > Then Nick is confused.  PCI only defines one way to flush posted writes
> > to a device -- doing a read from it.  There's no way that reads can
> > be allowed to pass writes (unless you've asked for it, like with write
> > combining).
>
> But that requirement is for the PCI bridge, isn't it?  It doesn't matter if
> the bridge will flush all posted writes before allowing a read if the CPU
> decides to give the bridge the read before the write.  A powerpc CPU will
> certainly do this if you don't take any steps like telling it the memory is
> uncachable and guarded.  I didn't think it was allowed on x86 (except with
> WC), but Nick seemed to say it was.

Ah sorry, not UC, I was confused. UC I think actually is strongly ordered
WRT other UC and also cacheable operations.

WC is weakly ordered, anything goes.
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