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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0808131534440.13982-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
Date:	Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:37:21 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Alan Stern <stern@...land.harvard.edu>
To:	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@...e.de>
cc:	Stefan Richter <stefanr@...6.in-berlin.de>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@...e.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@...ts.osdl.org>,
	<James.Bottomley@...senpartnership.com>, <teheo@...ell.com>
Subject: Re: Power management for SCSI

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008, Oliver Neukum wrote:

> > In Alan's patch, SCSI calls scsi_host_template methods (if the LLD
> > provides ones) to suspend and resume a Scsi_Host.  The LLD can use them
> > to work with the underlying infrastructure to determine what can be done
> > at that time.  I.e. are there other protocols or other initiator-like
> > nodes sharing the link?  If yes or if "maybe yes", the infrastructure
> > keeps the link up.  If not, it can move it into a low-power state.
> 
> That is a parculiar way of viewing it. Alan's patch introduce runtime
> pm attributes to the devices. Quoting:
> 
> 
> +/**
> + * scsi_suspend_sdev - suspend a SCSI device
> + * @sdev: the scsi_device to suspend
> + * @msg: Power Management message describing this state transition
> + *
> + * SCSI devices can't actually be suspended in a literal sense,
> + * because SCSI doesn't have any notion of power management.  Instead
> + * this routine drains the request queue and calls the ULD's suspend
> + * method to flush caches, spin-down drives, and so on.
> + *
> + * If the suspend succeeds, we call scsi_autosuspend_host to decrement
> + * the host's count of unsuspended devices and invoke the LLD's suspend
> + * method.
> 
> So you cannot operate on the link independent from the devices.

With the original patch, you can't operate on the link independent from 
the devices.  But with the revised patch (whenever I manage to find 
time to write it!), you _will_ be able to.

Alan Stern

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