Date:	Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:26:00 +0000
From:	"Sosnowski, Maciej" <maciej.sosnowski@...el.com>
To:	"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@...el.com>
CC:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@...r.kernel.org" <netdev@...r.kernel.org>,
	"hskinnemoen@...el.com" <hskinnemoen@...el.com>,
	"g.liakhovetski@....de" <g.liakhovetski@....de>,
	"nicolas.ferre@...el.com" <nicolas.ferre@...el.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 03/13] dmaengine: up-level reference counting to the
 module level

Dan Williams wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Sosnowski, Maciej
> <maciej.sosnowski@...el.com> wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> General concern I see about this change is that it makes impossible
>> to rmmod ioatdma in case of NET_DMA enabled.
>> This is a specific case of situation when client is permanently
>> registered in dmaengine,
>> making it impossible to rmmod any device with "public" channels.
>> Ioatdma is just an example here.
>> However in ioatdma case it would be problematic now to switch
>> between CPU and DMA copy modes.
>> It seems that the only way to disable DMA after loading ioatdma
>> would be raising tcp_dma_copybreak to some high enough value to
>> direct all buffers to CPU copy path.
>> This way is yet rather more like hacking than "normal" usage way
>> (like "rmmod ioatdma" used so far).
>>
>
> Hi Maciej,
>
> I have been waiting for you to point this out because I believe it
> shows where more work is needed in net_dma.  The problem with net_dma
> is that it never says "I am done with dma channels".  The result was
> the old/complicated per-operation reference counting in dmaengine that
> lead to the, now deleted, comment for ioat_remove():
>
> /*
>  * It is unsafe to remove this module: if removed while a requested
>  * dma is outstanding, esp. from tcp, it is possible to hang while
>  * waiting for something that will never finish.  However, if you're
>  * feeling lucky, this usually works just fine.
>  */
>
> This also required the complexity of each client needing to handle
> asynchronous channel removal events.  In all other cases in the kernel
> a module is pinned as long as it has users, so dmaengine was backwards
> in this regard.
>
> Putting the end-node principal to work here means that the
> complexity/effort of determining when net_dma is done with channels
> should reside in net_dma, not dmaengine.  Since we cannot hook into a
> "rmmod net" event to drop the dmaengine reference we will need some
> out-of-band signal to enable "rmmod ioatdma" like detecting
> network-idle, or having an explicit "dma disable" sysctl.

Hi Dan,
I agree that net_dma needs to be modified
so that it releases dma channels if not used.
However in the mean time, as long as net_dma is not ready to do this,
the problem of "rmmod ioatdma" in the redesigned dmaengine remains...

>
>> Another issue I find problematic in this solution is that _any_
>> client
>> declaring its presence in dmaengine causes holding reference for
>> _all_ channels (and blocking them), does not matter if they are used
>> or not.
>> I agree with Guennadi's doubts here.
>> Why not at least hold a reference only for channels with
>> capabilities matching client's ones?
>>
>
> All channels share the same parent module, so taking a reference on
> one will always involve blocking all channels.

This is true for channels of the same device/module.
However, if we have two different devices with different capabilities,
should they both be blocked by single client?
For example, what is use of blocking channels of device
with DMA_MEMCPY capabilities only
by a client interested in DMA_XOR or DMA_MEMSET?

Thanks,
Maciej
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