linux-kernel - Re: [patch 1/2] epoll fix own poll()

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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0901291849350.16141@alien.or.mcafeemobile.com>
Date:	Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:52:14 -0800 (PST)
From:	Davide Libenzi <davidel@...ilserver.org>
To:	Pavel Pisa <pisa@....felk.cvut.cz>
cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] epoll fix own poll()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Pavel Pisa wrote:

> So if there exists applications using epoll, they could waste sometimes
> most of CPU time without without any visible error indication. 
> The most critical problem is, that even epoll_wait() on epoll set, which
> reports falsely ready condition, doe not clear that state for outer
> loop and event waiting mechanism. So in theory, some patch with
> smaller scale and impact which only ensures, that event is not falsely
> reported even after epoll_wait() call would be enough to save system
> from busyloop load. The false wakeup and wasted call to epoll_wait ()
> with no event returned is not so big problem.
> 
> On the other hand, most of today applications are based on GLIB (poll),
> Qt (for pure Qt select) or libevent (not cascaded poll/epoll), which all are
> not prone to this problem. Even for my intended use, my code can
> work without cascading and if cascading is required, then standard
> poll and  then moving of events triggers into GLIB loop is enough
> for 10 to 100 FDs. So actual real severity is not so high.
> 
> I am happy that Davide has found fix to the problem, but even if the
> fix gets into 2.6.29 there would be older kernels for years there
> and use of epoll cascading would be problem. So I see as most
> important, that information about problem is known and does not
> surprise others. It would be great, if there is found safe way,
> how to ensure even without fix to revive from ill situation
> by some userspace action on older kernels.
> I do not see yet, why call to epoll_wait() does not to clean
> "rdllist" on unpatched kernel. 

Epoll cleans, even on older kernels, the rdllist from spurious events, 
upon epoll_wait(). If later on you get another spurious event, you fall 
into the same condition. Or, can you send a minimal code snippet that 
shows this not being true for older kernels?


- Davide


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