linux-kernel - Re: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function

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Message-ID: <20090225124748.GC26273@elte.hu>
Date:	Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:47:48 +0100
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
Cc:	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@...el.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@...r.kernel.org" <linux-arch@...r.kernel.org>,
	steiner@....com
Subject: Re: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single
	ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many())


* Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:56:54AM -0800, Suresh B wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 02:56 -0800, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > * Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@...el.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 04:20 -0800, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > > > Could you please refresh this patch to latest tip:master? The 
> > > > > APIC drivers moved to arch/x86/kernel/apic/.
> > > > 
> > > > Appended the refreshed patch. Thanks.
> > > 
> > > thanks. Two details i noticed:
> > > 
> > > Firstly:
> > > 
> > > > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/apic/x2apic_cluster.c
> > > > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/apic/x2apic_phys.c
> > > 
> > > how about x2apic_uv.c? It uses uv_write_global_mmr64() in its 
> > > IPI sending method, which uses:
> > > 
> > > static inline void uv_write_global_mmr64(int pnode, unsigned long offset,
> > >                                 unsigned long val)
> > > {
> > >         *uv_global_mmr64_address(pnode, offset) = val;
> > > }
> > > 
> > > which uses ->mmr_base, which is mapped via:
> > > 
> > >         init_extra_mapping_uc(UV_LOCAL_MMR_BASE, UV_LOCAL_MMR_SIZE);
> > >
> > > so it should be fine because uncached - but at minimum we should 
> > > put a comment into x2apic_uv.c that the generic IPI code relies 
> > > on the lowlevel code serializing - i.e. relies on the UC PAT 
> > > attribute.
> > 
> > Oops. I forgot to mention that and copy Jack to confirm our
> > understanding. I can send a followup patch adding the comments for UV.
> > Jack, are you ok?
> > 
> > > 
> > > Secondly, you added smp_mb(), which will translate to an MFENCE. 
> > > 
> > > But in theory it should be enough to have a wmb() here. [Note, 
> > > not an smp_wmb() that i suggested before.] That will translate 
> > > to an SFENCE - which will serialize writes but still allows 
> > > reads/prefetches to pass.
> > > 
> > > So the question is, is an SFENCE there enough to serialize the 
> > > WRMSR with previous memory-writes? It's not specified in the 
> > > x2apic docs as far as i could see.
> > 
> > No. sfence is not enough (wrmsr to x2apic regs was still passing ahead).
> > We have done a small experiment to demonstrate the issue and adding
> > mfence fixes the issue but not sfence. We need a serializing instruction
> > or mfence. I will try to get the SDM updated.
> 
> Just if I may add something -- I would probably slightly 
> prefer if you explicitly used an sfence or other serializing 
> instruction rather than smp_mb(). Maybe call it wrmsr_fence() 
> or something. Apart from being self documenting, and less 
> confusing (wrmsr is not part of normal ordering), I assume you 
> technically also need it on UP systems?

Hm, UP systems shouldnt worry too much about sending IPIs to 
other CPUs, right? We optimize out same-CPU IPIs already so that 
bit should not matter.

Agreed on the self-documentation aspect.

	Ingo
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