linux-kernel - Re: [wireless] rt2870sta BUGs on shutdown, 2.6.30.2->git.today+git.wireless.today

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Message-ID: <20090730181317.GA27543@kroah.com>
Date:	Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:13:17 -0700
From:	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
To:	Dan Williams <dcbw@...hat.com>
Cc:	Johannes Berg <johannes@...solutions.net>,
	Ivo van Doorn <ivdoorn@...il.com>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@...il.com>,
	Luis Correia <luis.f.correia@...il.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>, linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@...driver.com>
Subject: Re: [wireless] rt2870sta BUGs on shutdown,
 2.6.30.2->git.today+git.wireless.today

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 02:04:43PM -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 10:26 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:11:02PM +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 18:52 +0200, Ivo van Doorn wrote:
> > > 
> > > > [some text expressing his frustration]
> > > 
> > > This is exactly why I was against staging all the time. Now suddenly
> > > "The Crap" seems like a viable alternative. WAKE UP PEOPLE. The code is
> > > not useful. Just look at the code that Mike pasted into his email. That
> > > alone should be enough to send cold shivers down your spine!
> > 
> > Hm, "useful" is in the eye of the beholder.
> > 
> > There is no driver in the mainline kernel tree for this device, so a
> > "normal" user has no chance of getting it working, right?  That's why
> > -staging is working, there is a semi-working driver, and most
> > importantly, people willing to help out getting it working better.
> > 
> > The combination of the two is what works here.
> > 
> > So please, I understand your frustration on a lack of people helping out
> > with out-of-tree wireless drivers that don't quite work properly, but
> > please, that has NOTHING to do with the staging drivers.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, I'm off on the driver-devel list helping Mike fix this
> > problem, which seems simple enough to solve...
> 
> Except that the energy you're now investing in fixing this could have
> gone into rt2x00, and we would come out ahead in the end.  Instead, the
> energy is sapped away by something that will *never* be mainlined.

On the contrary, I would have never spent any time working on rt2x00 :)

And are you trying to tell people _what_ to work on here?  That's a
slippery slope...

thanks,

greg k-h
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